Talk:College of Charleston/Archive 1

Andrew Jackson's Mother
A fact recently removed claimed that Andrew Jackson's mother was buried near campus. I believe this is referring to a grave marker in the middle of campus (near the old library). It states that someone is buried near the marker. I forget the name on the grave marker. What I do remember is that the marker was found off Ashley Phosphate (very far from campus) during construction of an office building that the College planned to use as a North Area campus. It was taken to the college to be inspected and then was placed on campus because it looked nice. Since the marker was not standing when it was found and is now standing many miles from where it was found, whomever it is that it is referring to is not buried anywhere near campus. --Kainaw (talk) 17:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Improve Ref tag
It would be helpful if folks, esp whoever placed the tag, would identify statements (etc) that arguably need sources. Currently, I see the article has many external links as sources. It's written in conventional encyclopedic mode, which tends to eschew footnotes. HG | Talk 18:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The current "community" attitude towards references on Wikipedia is that all factual statements should be following be a reference. For example, the assertion of the founding date and being the oldest college in South Carolina should be following by a &lt;ref&gt; tag and a website that backs the claim.  Without references, an article is considered unreferenced. --  k a i n a w &trade; 19:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it is not unreferenced, i think the way to put it is that it is not adequately referenced by inline citations (footnotes) according to the referencing standards that have evolved in wikipedia. I added some material about the National Historic Landmark designation, with inline citations backing up each statement i made just now.  Some very basic facts, like College of Charleston is a college in Charleston, do not need to be documented by a footnote, but it is better to footnote more specific claims and facts like which architect designed which building built on which date. doncram (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

External links in the article
There are multiple external links to the webpages of various departments of the college. I think just one external link to the university would be more appropriate. If there are specific facts about a given department given in the article, then a link to the department webpage could be included within a footnote. If no one minds, I am inclined to delete most of the separate department links from the External links section. doncram (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The summary box
The summary box on the right side of the page is messed up, I couldn't figure out how to fix it. The field for the "established" date isn't working and the date isnt displayed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptparadi (talk • contribs) 12:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Desegregation
When was the school desegregated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.1.23.16 (talk) 07:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Include Office of Sustainability(?)
I was referred to the talk page to reach a concensus on whether there should be a section in the main article for the newly created Office of Sustainability. The college has recently made this office a central focus of the President's agenda and future developments of the campus. It seemed like it warranted a section.

I've left up the section I created through sources on CofC's website, the Office's website, and personal knowledge from within the Office.

One user felt the section was too long and too POV. If anyone agrees, please revise as appropriate.

If anyone feels that there should be no such section, lets talk about it. Looking forward to some constructive feedback! Thanks! -ajbarry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajbarry (talk • contribs) 03:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see how it's at all notable or interesting, certainly not on a scale that justifies more than a sentence or two. And what you've added reads like a press release and makes unsupportable claims about the office and its impact and importance.
 * Incidentally, do you have a connection with this office or college? ElKevbo (talk) 03:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

If you were interested in the College of Charleston, you wouldn't find what the College has highlighted as one of their most significant advancements as interesting? As someone who is interested in the College of Charleston, I was shocked that someone hadn't added a section yet. Within ten minutes of it being added and linked to the Office's FB page, it was already getting "Likes."

One of the things that is mentioned in the section is CofC getting listed as a Green College by the Princeton Review, who started the list because of staggering data coming in that students looking at Colleges are interested in the campuses environmental philisophy at unprecedented levels. If a College's sustainability efforts are notable enough for the Princeton Review to conduct an 800 campus evaluation and create an entirely new list, surely it meets the notability requirements of wikipedia?

I'm happy to revise for style, to provide citations to claims, and to make it sound less like a press release, but as someone that chose to attend CofC, I believe had this section existed when I was looking at colleges it would have been exceptionally interesting to me. (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC).
 * This is an encyclopedia article, not an admissions brochure. It beggars belief that we should dedicate such a large amount of this article about a 250 year old college to a brand new office.
 * I renew my question: Do you have a connection with this office or college? ElKevbo (talk) 04:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't see this as at all relevant, only here fore reasons of promotion. It should be removed. Mt  king  (edits)  04:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely concur with Mtking and ElKevbo. Completely undue weight is given to this office for an article that is supposed to be an overview of the entire university. There is no WP:Verifiability provided by WP:REF and thus not real WP:Notability within the context of the university. It appears to be WP:SPAM from the office itself. The section should removed. CrazyPaco (talk) 05:40, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. I've addressed COI on the user's talk page.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:50, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not a professional wikipedia editor, my understanding was that everyone was supposed to be able to contribute. I made an attempt to add something that I know enough about to provide relevant information on.  I told you I'm happy to edit for style, to cut down in size, that I welcome revisions from others.  I don't understand why a small group of hyper-dedicated individuals using an almost indecypherable terminology that excludes anyone outside of their subculture gets to be the final arbitor on what is or isn't relevant to the global community.
 * I in good faith tried to contribute, recognizing that I'm figuring it out as I go along, and you have belittled my lack of your specialized knowledge and given me just a few short hours to become an expert or be excluded from your clique, and insulted my intent by slandering me as a spammer trying to self-promote from within the Office itself. I have a hard time believing that this is what wikipedia was invisioned as.  This is not a community, this is an insular, exclusionary sub-culture.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajbarry (talk • contribs) 06:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if you feel that anyone has belittled you or tried to exclude you. But it's a bit naive to expect that an encyclopedia with millions of articles written by tens of thousands of editors doesn't have standards for both content and behavior.
 * Stick around and learn; nothing we've said or done is personal and we're happy to help you if you're open to being helped. But don't get too attached to anything you write here because this is a massively collaborative project in which anything you write can and will be edited by others, sometimes even deleted.  It's just how it goes here so roll with it and be sure to keep communicating with other editors! ElKevbo (talk) 06:23, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't just make another edit, though -- especially right away -- if you do you'll then start to hear about WP:3RR and "edit-warring". Better to discuss what you have in mind here & gain agreement for it.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * A bit of background may be helpful: An awful lot of college/university articles have recently had information about a "sustainability" or similar office added to them, generally without any citation from outside the college/university. I have to agree that, unless the material is referenced by reliable outside sources, it shouldn't be in the article. In the main college/university article that I maintain, Gloucester County College, I've refrained from adding anything (outside what the University Style Guide requires) that isn't cited from outside the college, for instance, despite having easy access to considerable material from inside the college. It quite simply isn't considered notable. Allens (talk &#124; contribs) 06:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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History-future of college
This sentence sounds a little funny to me. If I understand correctly, it's meaning to say the future of the college was doubtful? Open to discuss. Until then, changing to my edit Shelbyhoward423 (talk) 12:26, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

331dot please advise
/* Managing a conflict of interest */ Hey there. You asked about why the "also known as" information for College of Charleston was inaccurate. It is inaccurate because the College of Charleston is not also known as Charleston. We are just trying to make it accurate. I also am not sure why I was reprimanded for adding two commas. Pretty minor stuff. There are a few updates that need to be made (info has changed, added/gotten rid of programs, etc.) how do you suggest i fix these inaccuracies? LutzAtCofC (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I responded on my user talk page. Please discuss only in one location. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

""Charleston College"" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect &. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 28 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Intern
Hello, I work as an intern for the college to edit wikipedia pages. I would like permission to edit the History section of the page. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonecofcbm (talk • contribs) 01:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You may propose changes on this page as a formal edit request(click for instructions). Please understand that Wikipedia is primarily interested in what independent reliable sources say about the history of the college, not what the college considers to be its own history. 331dot (talk) 02:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * You can not do much damage to this page. What a mess.--Akrasia25 (talk) 19:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have suggestions for improvements that could be made to this article, please offer them. We don't want college representatives editing the article directly due to the conflict of interest, but they too may make suggestions here. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have no conflict of interest, you are welcome to make edits yourself. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

And I have been making edits to the page. I have never been to the college. Akrasia25 (talk) 20:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

adding and editing existing building...

 * What I think should be changed (include citations):
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Edit request is unclear, please refer to the comment I left above. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 19:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

FIXED FORMATTING and Links
No new content was added, but fixed how graphics were displayed. Added links to existing wikipedia pages. Also, changed Organization title to Academics and changed academic programs string to bullet points.

markallenstaples (talk) 16:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Markallenstaples: It is unclear what exact changes you want to be done due to some formatting issues. For your and our convenience, you may copy the article to User:Markallenstaples/sandbox, then make the required changes there, and start a new section on this page, linking to your sandbox. In that section, place . &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 19:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)