Talk:Collegiate wrestling

Does anyone have the High School wrestling rules?
I've been adding citations from the wrestling rules published by the NCAA for the college-level wrestling details (which I can find online), but the wrestling rules published by the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) is not available on the Internet. Does anyone (wrestlers, wrestling coaches, etc.) have a copy that would be for the 2007-2008 school year preferably? If so, could you please take the time to cite the appropriate details regarding the rules for high school competition? Thanks.

--Wikiman86 18:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Since posting this, I've purchased a copy of the current rules book for high school wrestling (2007-08) from NFHS. It was very helpful in clarifying the differences between college and high school wrestling (There are some, ever so slight.), and in providing citations.

Wikiman86 17:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Should this article be separated again?...
I've recently (either logged-in or on a public computer not logged-in) been doing a major overhaul of this article, adding images, a history section, citations to the official rules, etc. But now, this article is 82 kilobytes long. I think it may be time to separate the article into smaller ones.


 * Some time ago, the article "Scholastic wrestling" was merged into this article, but now I think it would be fine if a new article: "Scholastic wrestling" be added that dealt with high school wrestling, specifically.
 * An article entitled "Folkstyle wrestling" that deals with youth wrestling (as it is adapted from collegiate and scholastic wrestling) could be added as well.
 * Possibly, a new article: "History of Collegiate wrestling" could be created; since the history section is so long now.

The present sections that would form the basis of the new articles would then be cut short and summarized for its main points after the new articles are created.

What do you guys think?

--Wikiman86 18:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Since posting this, I have separated the college (collegiate) wrestling article from the high school (scholastic) wrestling article. There are slight differences between high school and college wrestling rules. Since I was posting citations from the NCAA rule book on the collegiate wrestling article, the article would have simply been too long for both college and high school wrestling information to be on the same page.

Wikiman86 17:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I'm not sure what background the person had who wrote this article, but it is painfully obvious there was little or no input by anyone with a wrestling background. This counts toward all levels of Folkstyle. Please find someone with a background in Folkstyle to aid in revamping the article in it's entirety. The errors and omissions an truly astounding. Please understand, although I am being blunt, I mean no insult by saying this. It may be that Folkstyle is not something that transfers well from the sole perspective of written material, and as far as being "Peer Reviewed" as claimed in the opening Wiki-tag, this leads one to wonder what type of Peer we are referring to! If it is claimed the Peer Review was from anyone with Folkstyle Wrestling background I beg to differ. I personally have 40 years of Folkstyle background, beginning when I was 6 years old through College as a participant and both High School and College level Assistant Coach. I personally no longer write or edit Wikis but this one is in dire need of an overhaul. A question if I might? If you cannot find anyone else, might I suggest several of the local High School Level wrestlers from your area? I know our State Champs would assist if asked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.201.58 (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Shotgun Start?
I know that just in high school, my state (NJ) went to what they call a "shotgun start" for all dual meets. Basically, they'll draw a weight class out of a hat. The match will start at that class. For instance, if 171 is drawn, they'll start at 171, and then go to 189, 215, and 275 before jumping back down to 103 and all the way back up to 160.

From what I gather, this was done to take the pressure off the higher weight classes, who would frequently decide a close match.

I understand this is also done at the NCAA level.

its not done at the ncaa level it always starts a the 125 weight class — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.220.50.30 (talk) 00:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * That is definately not true. Dual meets in NCAA can and do start at other weight classes. My understanding it is a choice of the home team and there is some thought about strategic choices here, like maybe start at weight classes you think you can do well in the build up a lead and momentum. Wschart (talk) 16:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Tech Falls and Pins
I think a clarification might be in order to note that the match does not immediately end when a tech fall situation is noticed. If the tech fall is earned on a takedown straight into a near-fall situation, the ref usually allows the wrestler to finish the pin, if possible.

--Wjmorris3 05:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Should these two be combined...
I started work on the below link before I saw this article

Scholastic Wrestling

Ajkr925 11:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Scholastic wrestling should definitely be merged in, in my opinion. Scholastic, collegiate and folkstyle all refer to the same style in the United States, and we can discuss age-group-specific rules in a special section of this page. Collegiate wrestling has the most pages linking to it. Mytildebang 22:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

2nd Period Start
It says in the article that the wrestler given choice usually picks the top position. The wrestler given choice will almost always defer. If this isn't an option (third period) wrestlers most frequently choose bottom as it is easiest to score from that position. As a wrestler in high school it bothered me to see this so I thought I'd say something.

You thought it was easier to score a point while defending in partare? No... Just. No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.14.79 (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what partare is but I've wrestled for seven years and it's not about what i think is easier it's about what people do in real life. If you don't think most people take bottom given choice go to a wrestling tournament and watch in 95% of the matches when people take bottom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.9.47 (talk) 01:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I realize this is an extremely late reply to the conversation but this does warrant explanation. The person who replied to you is apparently not familiar with Folkstyle Wrestling. Nor apparently familiar with the difference between Freestyle and Folkstyle. (Nor how to spell Par Terre)Par Terre is a different type of "down" position than you think of in a Folkstyle match it is used in Greco-Roman and in some instance in Freestyle and has no correlation with the down position in Folkstyle wrestling, nor is the object anywhere near what it is in Folkstyle! Yes, in Folkstyle one would absolutely choose to be down in the third period if it is a close match or one is behind. Why is this? Just as you eluded to scoring opportunity. Because if you are on top, your only options for point are Near-Fall points. That or the option of giving up a point to your opponent and allowing them to Escape, then a Take-Down again for two points. If one is on the bottom, one has ample opportunity for points. A point for Escape, or two points for Reversal. Some regions of the country may have a different outlook although I was an assistant coach in both High School and Collegiate wrestling, we always chose to be down in the Third Period, and this is the prevalent wisdom. --75.17.201.58 (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

To chime in even later, the wrestler given his choice will almost always choose DOWN. There is no Par Terre in folkstyle wrestling. Par Terre is a term in freestyle and greco, the Olympic styles. Situations in matches can dictate a different decision but the most common decision is for the wrestler with his choice to choose down. The philosophy behind it is it's an easy point once you escape and if you choose top you're basically giving the opponent a point. Some wrestlers will choose neutral if they are either terrible on bottom or the opponent is a monster on top. Bottom line the answer to the question is that the wrestler with the decision will almost always choose bottom.--Dr Gonzo5269 (talk) 02:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Catch style? Really?
I've worked on the Catch wrestling article and it seems that it has a common heritage to Collegiate wrestling. I don't see how the claim can be made that Catch is actually a parent style to Collegiate. The article body currently has contradictory info claiming both US Folk and Catch as parents. Does anyone have any evidence about this? Hutcher (talk) 16:52, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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I have just modified 11 external links on Collegiate wrestling. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081121010145/http://www.wrestlinghalloffame.org/History/WrestlinginUSA.html to http://www.wrestlinghalloffame.org/History/WrestlinginUSA.html
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