Talk:Collide (Leona Lewis and Avicii song)

Article history
As the song chart in the US today, I have re-opened the article with my sandbox. If you would like to view the history of my sandbox, then click here. Calvin  • Na Na Na C'mon! 01:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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Calvin  • Na Na Na C'mon! 01:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Calvin  • Na Na Na C'mon! 23:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * NME

Calvin  • Na Na Na C'mon! 19:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The Mirror


 * Aaron  • You Da  One 17:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Aaron  • You Da  One
 * Aaron  • You Da  One

Requested move
moved. No convincing policy reason for excluding one artist from the title has been given. --regentspark (comment) 22:51, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Collide (Leona Lewis song) → Collide (Leona Lewis and Avicii song) – I moved the page to this title yesterday. User:Tbhotch moved it back with the rationale that "we credit the main artist". However, the song is credited as a duet, and thus both artists would be considered the main artist. If the song were credited as "Leona Lewis featuring Avicii", that would be a different story. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose Chase has not given evidence that the move is needed, or a guideline attesting the move. Also, read the history of the song, it was intended to be only by Lewis. We are not going to move their legal results here. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  19:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was intended to be a Lewis song solely, but per the legal results it is now credited as a duet. Thus titling the article as if it is solely a Lewis song is inaccurate and misleading. Furthermore, there is no guideline supporting your position, so the argument that there's not one supporting mine is flawed. –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And again I see no policy or guideline supporting you. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  21:32, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You clearly looked over the final part of what I said. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you requested the move it is your obligation to link relevant polices and guidelines to convince the participants of the discussion, as well as the closing admin, that the move is needed or not a violation of the P&G. I am not, and neither of the users that choose s/o, obligated to demostrate links. This is not a court. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  19:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose As above by Tbhotch. (I swear the article was called "Collide (Leona Lewis & Avicii song" earlier?) Calvin  • Na Na Na C'mon!  19:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose-- CallMe Nathan  •  Talk2Me   19:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? — Status  &#x7B;talkcontribs  23:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support as the song is credited as a duet with two main artists. The article's title has nothing to do with the legal case, but the credits on the song, which is "Leona Lewis / Avicii". – anemone projectors – 10:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Same rationale as above. Wikispan (talk) 10:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per My Boo (Usher and Alicia Keys song) and Kids (Robbie Williams and Kylie Minogue song) (just a few examples of where this is used). — Status  &#x7B;talkcontribs  23:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support As song is credited to both I see no reason not to include both in title, and it follows precedent set by above examples. Sanders11 (talk) 20:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's a mouthful and unlikely ever to get searched. It makes better sense to move it to Collilde (song)? -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 07:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Moving to Collide (song) would be inappropriate as there are two other articles on Wikipedia for songs called "Collide" - Collide (Howie Day song) and Collide (Krystal Meyers song). – anemone projectors – 13:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note the typo above, should read Collide (song) not Collilde (song) and wouldn't then be a redlink. Andrewa (talk) 10:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Status said it best. I Help, When I Can.[12] 19:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Far more notable as a collaboration; People are even likely to search for this collaboration in fact. Andrewa (talk) 10:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support for two reasons. First, it's just common sense that if two people have been credited as contributing to a song equally, we should not just arbitrarily pick one to use in the title. Second, for consistency (one of the criteria at WP:AT) – Status has shown that it is common practice to have both artists in the title when the song is a duet and this article should be consistent with that practice. Jenks24 (talk) 21:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Tbhotch. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 19:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Collide is not on the album's track listing, so...
I know this is twitter, but Leona tweeted the tracklisting to the album a few minutes ago, and Collide is not there. A different mix might be included on the deluxe version, but for the time being, it's not actually on the album. AARON • TALK  11:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Courtcase
Neither Lewis nor MoS (Berg's record label) were involved in the application to the court. The case was listed as Tim Berg and Another v Simco Ltd. t/a Syco (Another refers to Ash Pournouri). There was no direct sampling of Penguin. The comment from Ash Pournouri confirms that this was a "copy" (i.e. created from scratch by Sandy Vee) and not a sample. Indeed if it had been a sample then MoS would be involved in any proceedings as this would have been a breach of mechanical copyright which the record company would have an interest in. In a later interview Tim Berg stated that there had been some confusion over the licensing of the rights. Syco had approached him directly for permission and he had refused. However without his knowledge Syco had then obtained a license directly from his publisher (EMI Publishing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.190.78 (talk) 10:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Your point is? &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  14:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Non-album single
Now that the song is officially not included on Glassheart, and is just there in the form of one of its several remixes (Afrojack's), I think it's safe to call this a non-album single. It was initially planned to be released as the album's lead single, but the album has since went through many changes and that is no longer true. "Louboutins" is a similar situation, except that "Louboutins" was released on Love? in no way shape or form. Zac  11:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd leave it as an album single. Cause not even a remix of "Louboutins" features on the album. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  12:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Sampling
This article needs tidying up. Critics thought that the song sampled "Penguin" which was the original name for the intrumental track by Avicii. When vocals were added, that song was renamed "Fade into Darkness". Avicii's lawsuit wasn't that Lewis had sampled his song "Penguin", it was that he had obtained permission to same Simon Jeffes song for his own work and that he was looking for a vocalist. Syco heard the song and reproduced the same sample with Sandy Vee. The actual sample credit per the album booklet is actually "Perpetuum Mobile", as written and performed by Simon Jeffes. This whole thing needs clarfying in the article. Its a very confusing read. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  12:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay well if you want to do that section then. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   16:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The range
The vocal range for this song is false. Anyone who can separate pitches can sit down with a piano and can hear that the lowest note is a G#3 not F4, she also hits multiple Bb4 in the verses. musicnotes.com is very often wrong with their pitches. It's not a reliable source for composition section. Penpaperpencil (Talk) 21:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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