Talk:Colonel (U.S. honorary title)

I added South Carolina. Online I found a few documented cases from South Carolina, I imagine North Carolina also probably conducted this practice if South Carolina did. A Mr. Andrews has a nice biography online as a source, but I did not feel that the citation went with the flow of the article for that specific individual. Sandwich Eater 15:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps North Carolina did at one time, but now the state awards "The Order of The Longleaf Pine" as it's comparable award. 155.84.57.253 (talk) 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Reversion of Colonel (Honorary) [and Colonel (disambiguation)] articles
, copied from my talk page:

Dear DeCausa,

Would you please be so kind as to 'undo' the reversion of these two articles. The "Colonel-in-Chief" title within UK and Commonwealth countries is not a direct equivalent to the "Honorary Colonel" title, and is not covered under the Colonel-in-Chief article. As a career Regular Army officer, I am all to aware of the fact that the U.S. 'honorary colonel' title is not only a vestige of the British military system (from which the American militia system of 'honorary colonels' sprang), but one still practiced outside of America. To prove this point... I have inserted three links (random examples) to credible official UK government sources. These external links relate to contemporary "Honorary Colonels," within UK system, not "colonels-in-chief" titles within the said system... which is a whole different 'honorific' altogether. Thank you for your much anticipated understanding and cooperation in this matter.

https://defencehq.medium.com/honorary-colonels-in-the-british-army-1b6c2070a689

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/637160/2017-06098.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508314/FOI2016_01737.pdf

Very respectfully,

Lieutcoluseng (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks and thanks for the information - that’s very interesting. To move this forward, it would be helpful to get your view on some questions I have:


 * 1) Do you know of any published secondary sources discussing this? The MoD links would appear to be primary sources so per WP:PRIMARY it would be better to be able to reference a secondary source.
 * 2) My understanding is that the U.S. state colonels are not in fact a military position but only a civilian title whereas the UK honorary colonel is in fact a regimental appointment. Is that your understanding? This is where a secondary source would be helpful. I don’t think this necessarily results in the article not covering both but it certainly means the distinction should be clear in the article.
 * 3) The main point is that the problem with simply changing the article title is that the text of the article makes it clear that it’s only talking about the U.S state colonels. Would you also be willing to edit the article with text and citation to expand it to cover the UK honorary colonels? I think one can’t be done without the other.
 * Thanks. DeCausa (talk) 10:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)