Talk:Colonialism

Eurocentricism
As noted, this article is much too long. Removed material that focuses on specific instances more appropriate for region/chronology based pages. DenverCoder9 (talk) 02:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

End of Empire
What is the purpose of Impact > End of empire? If anything, end of empires is an effect of decolonization? I propose to delete. Marxistpoodle (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

== Why are colonies on uninhabited or previously uninhabitable lands not mentioned? With possible Moon-, Mars-, or deep-sea-colonies popping up in media all the time the topic should be part of the article, shouldn't it? ==

Question 2A02:3037:205:98A0:DC0C:2EBF:ADDC:52D0 (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because they are not yet a reality. The Banner  talk 10:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Lead
@Nsae Comp I think the new lead makes it look like colonialism is just another word for racism. Isn't the main thing about colonialism the establishment of colonies? HansVonStuttgart (talk) 16:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi there I see what you mean, but I tried to reorganize the sentence to focus on the practices, but I couldnt manage without sounding convaluted and geting lost on the more complex forms of colonialism which are later in the sentence. Ultimately it is not suprising that it is sounds like racism, because it needs racism to develop into what we know today as modern colonialism. So I would say institutional racism, particular modern state racism, is a product of this lurking element of colonialism. So I left it as it is and will add a sentence about racism when I have found a proper citation, to disspell this lurking familiarity between the two concepts. Nsae Comp (talk) 11:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I tried to shuffle the sentence parts again, but I again failed because the population othering is just such a central part of it. Afterall colonization and colony are particular concepts/technologies of settling. ... So ill stick with finding a good citation about racism and find a good way to put it into the frame of the lead. Nsae Comp (talk) 11:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Now reading it for a spot to put it in reference to racism, I must say that coloniality does include racism already. So I cant see eight now an smooth way to mention racism. Maybe by adding to coloniality:"intersectional coloniality" and add for example this cource, or others like Mohanty etc..
 * But in the end I am realy fine with the first sentence. It still can find a later mention in the lead though. Nsae Comp (talk) 11:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's hard to find a single good definition of colonialism. That's probably because it has changed so much from the historical European practice of laying claim to "uncivilized" land to the modern neocolonialism that is more based on economic inequality and leads to othering and all the things you mentioned. I am going to look at the phrasing more when I have time, thanks for discussing. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the addition of settler colonialism, among others, by User:TheDoodbly I found a way to focus the lead so that it swiftly characterizes colonialism without geting lost in who does it; realizing that the different whos of empire VS settlers (and the even more confusing difference between imperial colony VS settler colony constitution) are to be put afterwards to make the range of colonialism easily graspable. I hope you can share my enthusiasm for this approach. PS: Ill try to check the old taken along references for if being still placed right and any redundancy, or need for clarification of the lead towards them. Nsae Comp (talk) 06:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Covering all of the different definitions as the term's definition/connotation changed over time, and staying consistent with respect to that (and keeping it independent of other concepts, even if they're related) is probably the biggest challenge with this article. I think the rest of it needs some attention as well for a variety of other reasons beyond spelling and grammar and organization. TheDoodbly (talk) 06:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @HansVonStuttgart It's also missing a ton of commas, and over-emphasizes an intersectional framing for what is, at its core, a metropole's financial exploitation of remote lands and people by any means available.
 * Also, everything other than the intersectionality stuff is missing citations. Stewie3128 (talk) 04:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Modern colonialism
Hi, should there be an article on discussion around modern examples of colonialism? Off the top of my head it could talk about Zionism as settler colonialism, Western Sahara, overseas territories such as New Caledonia, neocolonialism in Africa, Sinicization as in the cases of Hong Kong and Xinjiang, and do so in a way that wasn't just superficial and represented the weighting. Alexanderkowal (talk) 17:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)