Talk:Color grading

From the article:

 * In Hollywood, O Brother, Where Art Thou? was the first film to be wholly digitally graded.

Was it? Digital intermediate grading was certainly in use before them, although I can't be sure which film was the first to be digitally graded in its entirety. -- Karada 18:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It was the first Hollywood movie originated on film to be digitally graded from beginning to end. As long as those three qualifiers are put on it is true. See digital intermediate for some history. I am planning to do some more rewrites to this article when I get the time... --Onejaguar 20:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

added source for Digital Intermediate term Starwatcher (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Article expansion notes
Here are thoughts/suggestions for article expansion.


 * History of color grading: from the advent of Technicolor film, how grading came into practice.
 * Explaniation of how photochemical color timing works (optical filters is not wholly correct)
 * Hardware involved and evolution thereof: from the Hazeltine to the Spririt and DaVinci 2K
 * Evolution of telecine
 * Telecine effect on Music videos/commercials/television
 * How telecine timing works (pre-power windows) - primaries/secondaries/shaders
 * CRT vs CCD telecine scanning
 * How telecine timing works (post-power windows, Quantel Domino, Flame, Etc.)
 * Evolution of digital intermediate
 * Reference to scanning technology/laser technology to make film out on a large scale possible from digital source
 * As always - cite references.
 * Include photographs/examples

Thoughts? Too much? Not enough? Looks like a lot of work. LACameraman 01:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

First draft revision finished. LACameraman 22:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I would strongly recommend deleting the section on significant color timers. Not because there aren't any, but more because the unfortunate likelihood will be that it will be subject to auto-biographical vanity entries by less-than-notable people. Notable enough color timers might warrant having an encyclopedia article, perhaps, and we can always link this article to a Category:Color timers entry. That's my two cents. I don't have too much to say about the actual article content yet; I'll try to do a quick consult with my sources in the coming weeks. Keep up the good work! Girolamo Savonarola 15:48, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not necessarily opposed to the "significant timers" section getting the axe. I knew it was controversial when I put it in there. I felt the article needed a little more grounding, which is why I added it; humanize it a bit and make sure it was known that this process requires human interaction - it's not a computer task and not a task done by just anyone (perhaps there's a little too much politics coloring my editorial there...). I'd like to get a consensus, however, before cutting it. At least I can cite a legit reference for calling these colorists "significant" - which is argument for any future "vanity" additions to the list without reference (IE: Who is identifying them as significant? Some recoginized organization needs to be cited). At this point, I'd vote for keep, but I can be dissuaded. LACameraman 19:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but after seeing some recent edits that seemed a bit vanity/company-centric, I've deleted the section. It's not to say that there aren't significant colorists, but I don't see the pressing need to have the section at the moment, nor do any of the subjects have an article entry that could even be linked to. Plus it inevitably will reek of recentism. IMHO, best to avoid these problems unless there is enough demand for the section in a peer review, FAC, or something similar. Girolamo Savonarola 16:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Some References that should be added??
http://www.finalcolor.com/acrobat/Whencolor2.pdf - discusses the functions of color correction The Film into video reference could be updated for the latest edition (2000)

Not sure if this should be included, but information on how to "relight" a scene: []

British English
Should the British English spelling of "colour" be used at the start of the article? Benson85 21:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe the general convention per WP:MOS is that articles should be regional neutral (aka leave it where it lies) unless the topic is specifically oriented towards a particular geographic region which speaks English. This is mainly to prevent silly edit wars. Being that this article is not about UK or US-centric topics, I'd let it be. Girolamo Savonarola 02:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup: Manual of Style. --Quiddity 04:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

made consistent use of ‘color’ added colour at beginning of article for search engines Starwatcher (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Confusion
"In a CRT system, an electron beam is projected at a phosphor-coated envelope, producing a beam of light the size of a single pixel. This beam is then scanned across a film frame from left to right, capturing the "vertical" frame information. Horizontal scanning of the frame is then accomplished as the film moves past the CRT's beam."

Is this correct? How does a beam scanned from left to right capture vertical frame information? And wouldn't a beam scanned from left to right be the horizontal scanning? Is the film rotated 90°? Or am I missing/not grokking something basic? Joshua McGee (talk) 05:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's because the vertical scanning is achieved by the movement of the film. The horizontal scan is produced by the beam sweep, the vertical, at least partly, by the film movement, which is continuous, unlike the intermittent movement of the film in a projector. I say at least partly, because in interlace systems the frame rate of the film does not correspond to the field rate of the television system, so some of the vertical scan has to be contributed by the CRT.Wmck (talk) 10:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Reflections in a Golden Eye
Does Reflections in a Golden Eye, a (1967 color) movie initially released with a golden tint throughout, fit in here somehow? -- megA (talk) 21:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

History - Les Vampires
A History section should include 'global' tinting of scenes of black-and-white films - Les Vampires is one example. --195.137.93.171 (talk) 14:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Photography
Why does this article only describe colour grading of motion picture and not photography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btxtsf (talk • contribs) 06:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Color grading software
Adobe has added a color grading application for CS6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.217.93 (talk) 22:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 12:04, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Color timing
This is what color grading used to be called when it was photochemical. Color timing redirects to color grading but there is absolutely NOTHING about color timing in the article. Surely some historical information would be a good idea. The way the article is currently written, we have a sort-of explanation of telecine which branches out into color grading, with no mention of color timing, which was the photochemical equivalent. So it's kind of a historical mess, not very clear, and so far as I'm concerned, not really all that accurate as to where the practice comes from. Theonemacduff (talk) 03:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I've added a little bit about this. It would be useful if someone expert in the field could step in and improve it. -- The Anome (talk) 14:22, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

done Starwatcher (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Wayyyy out of date
Much of this article is way out of date: use of DI with digital acquisition and delivery is now almost universal, making color correction largely a technical setup and calibration function, and leaving color grading almost entirely as an artistic process. Yes, film is still occasionally used for input and/or output, but it's increasingly rare, and these parts of the article should now be written as historical sections. (Also, we should have more on the historical stuff: who now remembers printer points?) -- The Anome (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

partially fixed -- some work still needs to be done to update to current technologies Starwatcher (talk) 18:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Terminology mixup
There is ambiguity in the use of the terms "color timing" and "color grading," with the intro paragraph saying color timing is the old term from the film era, but the following section claiming the term color timing only came into use when digital processes were introduced. Okto8 (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)