Talk:Colossus (character)

Category
At the bottom of the page it groups Colossus as a 'fictional athiest' and his name is present on the link. What I want to know is how is Colossus an athiest, I've never read anything that even remotly backs that up! Until sources are verified and you give me undeniable proof, I'm removing it. Captain la rose (talk) 04:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, what the hell? Suddenly he's a bisexual? That's an insane leap, and in my knowledge of the comics...once again, I've never read anything that backs that up at all!! Now I can understand that someone might have merged the ultimate and mainstream version of this character for this category but come on!! Once again I find myself without answers, facing too big holes in the article AND NO ONE WILL TALK TO ME! WHAT IS GOING ON?!! Well I can tell you I'm not waiting and have already removed that category from this page! If anything regarding sexuality should be on this page there must be a line drawn! Mainstream: strait, Ultimate: Gay!

HELP ME OUT HERE!! Captain la rose (talk) 03:18, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Artwork Credits
Is that main Colossus pic really by John Cassaday? It doesn't look like his style to me...

Ultimate Colossus Power level
I really don't think Ultimate Colossus could survive in the sun and think it's silly to put that unless it really happens. And I don't think it is necessary or accurate to say only Hulk can match his strength. Just state his powers, you don't have to brag about him. Also saying he can survive a nuke is misleading, when it was just an arrow from Hawkeye. If you say 'nuke' people will think the city killer type of nuke, not a small arrow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.38.63 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 15 February 2006

When creating a new page, how do you bring up the box beside the contents with the pic, and other simple info like author, realatives, ext —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soujaboy (talk • contribs) 07:18, 15 February 2006

Colossus had been able to negate the effects of magic i.e. the INFERNO crossover issues and previous issues before that!?!

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The small arrow had the power of a nuke. And notice that it did not hurt him, it merely knocked him out. Also, he was able to smack Thor around like a doll, despite that Thor is nearly at the Hulk's strength. I think it is debatable that Colossus maybe as strong as the Hulk

Gay?
Why was the line about Colossus being portrayed as gay in Ultimate X-Men removed? It's a pretty significant difference from the old continuity, I'd say. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 14:47, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

I think the previous author didn't really explain his sources, etc. If you know the storyline better, and can back up where it fits into canon, I'd say go ahead and stick it back in. -- Metahacker 23:12, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I found a link that gives the the story behind and the issues in question about him being gay. Here.  Please stick it back in. --Mr Vain 00:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC).

I think there are Homofobic people who want to "cover" the fact that in Ultimate Marvel, Colossus is gay. I tried updating the site with references for this and received a message to stop vandalism.15.203.233.77 (talk) 20:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated Ultimate Colossus. Yes the infomation on his history is in the comic. --Leelan 18:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

No mention of Northstar in the relationships section?? I can only interpret this as the doings of homophobia. It's amazing how some people cannot acknowledge the very normal and pervasive reality that is homosexuality -- even to the point that they won't allow fictional people to be homosexual. --Athbhreith 12:19, 8 December 2008 (EST)

The "Colossus returns" picture is not a cover and the copyright notice needs to be fixed
I'm not a wikipedia regular and not sure how to fix this.

Ultimate Colossus != mainstream Colossus and redundancy issues
There seem to be some (anon) users that really mix up info about mainstream Colossus (MC) and Ultimate Colossus (UC). I deliberately over-flagged the Ultimate Colossus section and every subsection to make this clear. Please mind following help: Onomatopoeia 11:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
 * MC is straight (loves Shadowcat), UC is gay (loves [Northstar])
 * MC is a peasant from the Soviet Union, UC worked in the Russian mob.
 * As per WP:CMC decision, and, ONLY add something to "powers" or "history" if it is really different from the mainstream version. Not doing so results in a load of redundant info which seriously lowers the quality of the article.

Ultimate Colossus powers
Now, I've seen him lift a submarine, so he's strong, but where did the impervious to nukes, able to withstand heat of the sun, etc come from? Psyphics 05:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Removed that bit since no one provided an issue to check and the Official Handbook of the Ultimate Marvel Universe only states that he is impervious to most _normal_ attacks.Psyphics 03:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Soujaboy seems to have added all this stuff back. Anyone have any idea where he's getting it?  I understand Ultimate Colossus withstood an arrow-sized nuclear weapon, and has had molten lava poured on him, but neither left him unscathed.  The withstanding temperatures hotter than the Sun and colder than Pluto... where did that even come from? Psyphics 04:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Have we come to a consensus yet about Ultimate Colossus' powers? There seems to be a lot of reverting back and forth in this article lately with regards to powers.  Is there proof one way or another that can be sited? Breakaway 06:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In one of the first Ultimate X-Men comics, where Wolverine joins the team and is training in a simulated training programme made by Beast, he didn't have any problems cutting Colossus open with his claws. If the simulation was accurate it would mean that Wolverine would be able to cut through Colossus, which would make the parts in this article about Ultimate Colossus' organic steel being stronger than adamantium and his ability to withstand strikes from Wolverine's claws false. (We are not that far along in the Storyline here in Denmark, so my statement could have been proven wrong, e.g. by having Wolverine get a direct hit on Colossus with his adamantium claws and having Colossus withstand the blow, I just would know yet) Hecko 13:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Colossus has withstood strikes from Wolverines claws they were in the dangeroom, and Colossus told Wolverine to strike him, he did, and it resulted in sparks.



 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soujaboy (talk • contribs) 19:36, 5 February 2006

Compared to the Colossus of the mainstream Marvel Universe, or Earth-616, Ultimate Colossus' powers have definitely been jacked up to much higher levels. I'm pretty certain I've read it stated that 616 Colossus can lift right at the 100 ton level. It's been quite a long time, I think it was listed in one of the old Marvel Handbooks. In one issue of the Ultimate X-Men, one of the earliest issues, Colossus was able to derail an oncoming, sleekly designed, train that was probably traveling at speeds of at least 100 miles per hour. The train's momentum wasn't even sufficient to move Colossus back even a couple of feet. The train itself was basically demolished de to the impact. Now, I'm not certain of this, but in order to perform that feat of physical strength, wouldn't tens of thousands of tons of force be required? Also, Ultimate Colossus does appear to be considerably more durable than the classic 616 version. I recall during the Secret Wars crossover event, the villain known as the Wrecker gave Colossus one good hard whack across the mid-section with his enchanted crowbar and nearly killed him. And, of course, Ultimate Colossus has withstood assaults from Ultimate Wolverine's Adamantium claws. However, given recent events that've taken place in the Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk mini-series, Adamantium doesn't seem to be nearly as formidable in the Ultimate Marvel continuity as it is in the mainstream Marvel Universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odin's Beard (talk • contribs) 03:34, 19 February 2006

Powers
Hi. I added mention of Colossus' not needing food in his armored form. IMHO it's a stupid plot device, but it was used in the X-Cutioner's song. If anyone remembers the exact issue, feel free to add it. It's the one where Caliban (as War, or was it Death?) and a few other horsemen of 'pokie's attack Jean and Scott at Harry's. I think it was Kubert-drawn, so I guess that should have been some issue of Uncanny? -- Uliwitness - "More recently, due to the popularity of the X-men franchise and the need of fans to consider every favorite character as being maximally powered, Colossus was retconned to a greater strength class. In his armored form, Colossus possesses superhuman strength which allows him to press over 100 tons (as stated by somewhat biased The Ultimate Guide to the X-Men)" -This seems like a very subjective thing to write. Is there any corroboration for this? And is there any justification for stating that the Ultimate Guide to the X-Men is "somewhat biased"? Isn't this an official publication?Sadaharuo 18:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Strength
OK, rather than using OHOTMU sources, who has Colossus been shown to be equal/greater to in a fight, strength wise? Guys like Gladiator, the Thing, etc. The numbers are pretty meaningless on their own -- what really matters in comics is, "Can Colossus beat the Hulk in a fight?" -- HKMARKS 00:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Colossus lost to Gladiator (class 100+) on the moon during the trial by combat for the life of Phoenix. He has always been able to smack Sasquatch (class 75) around, but was never able to definitively hang with Juggernaut (class 100+) before juggs got depowered (that I know of). He has always handled the Blob without real difficulty (class 70) and Ord was helpless against him. He recently took on the whole Hellions squad by himself in a Danger Room exercise and whupped them without even breaking a sweat. Rockslide is their bruiser and he is class 50. Marvel doesn't consider anybody to be stronger than the Hulk, so I wouldn't even go there. Ultimate guide to the X-men has Colossus as class 100, as well as OHOTMU. Nobody likes these sources, but Colossus is their product, so as far as I am concerned, they make the rules. He definately performs consistently well against opponents in the class 90-100 range. Scrapper 22:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)Scrapper
 * Thanks! That should give a good feel for his strength.  I've added it to the article. -HKMARKS 01:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we get issues where he's fought these characters? It'd be more informative and closer to out-of-universe then.  --Newt ΨΦ 02:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

He lost to Gladiator not because of strength, just due to Gladiator's near-infinite durability. Plus, he has been declared a class 100 mutant, and all class 100 means is that he can lift in excess of 100 tons. certain class 100 strength beings are stronger than others.

Who wins between collosus and the champion, i'm presuming the champoin won but i just wanna make sure. Also spiderman rules.

This information was removed from the article by anon user. Why? //\\// As for issues, I don't know off hand... Gladiator of course must have been during the Dark Phoenix saga; He fought the Hellions in a very recent issue of New X-Men, after M-Day but before Nimrod. --HKMARKS 01:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Couldn't tell you why it was deleted, however, I don't think we need that many comparisons. Maybe a notable powerhouse he can beat and one he can't, along with the issues that depict it for WP:V and helping keep it out-of-universe and fair use --Newt ΨΦ 04:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, even in comic books, a character's physical strength doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight. There are numerous examples of characters beating opponents that dwarf them in terms of physical strength. Take Wolverine for example, writers have shown the character has defeated and held his own with vastly stronger opponents time and time again because of a combination of his fighting skills, agility, reflexes, and the sheer ability to absorb and shrug off punishment afforded him via his mutant healing factor and Adamantium enhancements. I believe that it's something natural to sort of equate the winner of a fight, or how someone performs during a fight, with some level of physical strength. In some cases it's true, but not all the time. Hence, trying to measure how strong a character is based on who he/she fights, which many fans have a tendency to do, is severely flawed. Strength is simply how much weight a character can lift or move and superior strength doesn't always equal victory. Odin&#39;s Beard 00:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If people want to get a clear picture of Colossus' abilities i agree, its hard. I think though, to be honest, he is slightly above the thing in terms of strength and durability. In Astonishing since his return he has fought Ord (who defeated the rest of the x-men easily), taken a blast from a damaged sentinel full on without being even knocked back. He took several blasts from the security lasers of the danger room (which were of shiar design, and were probably designed to keep all but the strongest beings out) before being knocked back out of the danger room's circuitry. If we can assume that since his return he is more powerful, and weigh it against what he was capable of before he died, i think the picture becomes a little clearer. (My apologies for not signing before, my bad) Pr1983 22:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I would agree that Colossus' physical capabilites are above those of the Thing, even prior to his return to the X-Men comics. If I'm not too badly mistaken, the original OHOTMU stated that Colossus' stamina and invulnerability wer at higher superhuman levels than those of the Thing. I believe that Colossus was portrayed as a teenager when first created, in his late teens, and the OHOTMU stated he could lift roughly 70 tons but that his strength would increase as he matured. During the Secret War mini-series, Colossus was shown to catch an aircraft containing most of the other heroes brought onto the planet by the Beyonder after it lost power. The aircraft itself looked to be about the size of the Blackbird, which I remember reading years back was written weighing 145,000 pounds, or 72.5 tons to be exact. He was also injured while catching and supporting the plane long enough for the heroes to exit, he was hit across the ribs via the Wrecker and his enchanted crobar. I always found that a bit odd since the character has withstood vastly harder and more powerful blows from a variety of sources. But, maybe since Colossus wasn't really a hugely established character at the time had something to do with it. However, his strength still pales in comparisson to the likes of the Hulk, Thor, and the Juggernaut, at least before the Juggernaut was depowered. Odin&#39;s Beard 03:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Although he is stated in the manual (and several others i might add) that he is fully capable of engaging Juggernaut in hand-to-hand combat. I think it is fair to say that he is a class 100 mutant. Also, i believe he was recently stated to have incalculable strength. And notice, it wasn't that he was weaker than Gladiator, it's just that Gladiator has nearly infinite durability. Besides, all a class 100 mutant means is that they are capable of lifting in excess of 100 tons. There are certain class 100 beings who are stronger than other class 100 beings.

Pure physical strenght doesn't always determine a victor in a fight, take spiderman for example. He has fought charecters of strength that dwarf his own e.g. juggernaut, venom(although he's stronger now), carnage(although he's stronger now), hulk, iron man etc. And he's either survived or won, because of his superior speed, adgility, stamina, durability and spider sense.

6´6" is 198 cm (198,12), not 200 cm. 1 ft is 30,48 cm, not 30 cm and 7´5" is 226 cm (226,06 cm), not 230 cm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.241.193 (talk) 11:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Colossus did not survive the Secret Wars blast
The main page, honking the horn of Colossus, suggests he survived the big Doom/Beyonder blast that killed all the heroes. He did not, he died as well, but his body was enough not damaged that the empath could heal him before his last spark of life left, whatever that means. And she picked him because she loved him -- he did not necessarily suffer less damage than Thor, Hulk, or the Thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.215.206.67 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 22 February 2006

The above statement is not quite correct. If you will recall, the other heroes' bodies (including Thor, Thing, Hulk, etc.) were completely incinerated in the blast. Captain America's shield was also heavily cracked and damaged. Colossus' body was still somewhat intact. It was ravaged, of course, and he was certainly damaged enough to die from the injuries. But his body was significantly less damaged than everyone else's. When you consider that Doom's blast was strong enough to splinter Cap's shield (always considered the most indestructible substance in the Marvel Universe), this speaks highly of Colossus' durability. There is some speculation as to whether Doom subconsciously caused all of this to happen, but it is not entirely clear. The empirical evidence would appear to suggest that Colossus' body was found by Zsaji in the state that Klaw describes, and that Doom subconsciously revived him from certain death.Sadaharuo 18:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Negative sides to armour mode?
IS there any reason for him to walk around "human" anymore, apart from stealth reasons? What are the disadvantages to his steel form? Jackpot Den 06:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Weight: he weighs half a ton and not everything is going to support that weight. Senses/strength: he controls his strength pretty well, but in steel form can still break things by accident. And he doesn't feel anything himself: during the Australia era he had been outside for so long that his metal skin was boiling hot, but he never noticed it. Dizzy D 10:46, 28 February 2006


 * As of Excalibur a while back, he know weighs two tons. He doesn't eat, sleep or have sex while in armoured form, and i doubt he is even capable of the aforementioned acts while in metal form. But what Dizzy d says is true... he can have a hard time adapting his strength so that he doesnt kill shadowcat when he touches her. Pr1983 06:30, 10 August 2006
 * I have the same problem, at least that's what I told my last girlfriend. She didn't believe me. --Chris Griswold 08:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They never do... Pr1983 22:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, minds out of the gutter, fellas....lol. There's also the disadvantage that anyone who can manipulate metal (like, oh, say, the X-Men's primary "big bad", Magneto) can use Colossus against his teammates when he's armored up. - Pennyforth

Hasn't collosus reached a point where he's strong enough to cancel magneto's power of magnetism. I don't know if it's true because someone else told me.

Colossus can overpower magneto now, last time I seen this was when he was with the acolytes, I believe, and Magneto was doing something he didn't agree with. Colossus, while being pushed away by Magneto, overpowered his magnetism and punched him in the stomach. But as far as being in human form, it seems that colossus, for whatever reason, simply likes being in human form and as it takes a conscious effort for him, albeit minimal, to stay in his metal form, it's probably just easier on him to remain in human form. This is illustrated by when he is rendered unconscious in metal form, he reverts to to human form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.85.247 (talk) 06:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I added the above comment, I just forgot to sign in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerwyn3 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Colossus and Kitty making love?
I'm really not sure that one strip that shows Kitty and Colossus kissing during the Brood crisis is enough to state that she was asking him to "make love". The dialogue is way too deliberately broad to make that specific a conjecture and I know the phrase itself never shows up in the storyline. The dialogue was likely left that way to leave it up to the reader to decide, not to mention the Comics Code Authority would probably have nixed any attempt at portraying even the suggestion of underaged sex. Thoughts? Gnosis1185 20:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I took this out because it seemed more speculative to me than factual. If anyone has any information to support this idea then please let me know. Gnosis1185 05:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This article focuses way too much on sexuality in regard to the Pryde romantic interest. It's brought up like 3 or 4 times and if removed takes out half of the Pryde entry.  In my opinion, a one sentence mention of their age difference would be much more efficient, would be more in keeping with the purpose of the article and also wouldn't be as creepy.  As well, I really don't think that the first time they had sex is at all important to the topic at hand.  I think somebody obscessed a little too much here. Beerman5000 (talk) 14:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

americanized on film
has there ever been any suggestion of his russian origins in the films? he's not played by a russian....Amo
 * He didn't sound Russian in the one line he had in the movie, either. Not even fake Russian. Newt 22:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, but in the comics Claremont went to some lengths to make it clear that Colossus didn't have a recognisable Russian accent. He was misstaken for an American based on his speech on at least two occasions. So this is consistent with the comics.
 * one of the specific film's entries states that he is not portrayed as russian. Oh my god, i am having a panic attack a the lack of cohension btw articles which feature/touch on the Xmen films! maybe when the X3 stuff has calmed down, we can start properly srting things out. Amo

Relationships: Storm??
I think that the possibility of a romantic relationship between Colossus and Storm early on is a bit too speculative and open to interpretation. They did develop a close relationship, one of a sister and brother, even (as evidenced by the fact that Storm often called him "little brother"), but never a romantic one. Gnosis1185 02:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Colossus Superherobox pic
i don't think anyone really wants to deal with another edit war over the shbox pic, it would be better if we discussed it in the Talk. granted, Colossus is mainly drawn by Cassidy in Astonishing, as User:DrBat stated, i think an unobstructed view of Colossus, like User:Dstorres said, would be preferrable. If you go by the current artist argument, i think there's plenty of unobstructed views of Colossus by Cassidy or any number of artists. Exvicious 21:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Can we come to a consesus on the main pic? I like many others feel that the Cassiday image is flat, boring, undynamic and more importantly breaks the tradiational rules of a main pic in Wiki by having other chracters in the background. It just is not a good main pic to represent Peter!

On the other hand, the Bachalo image looks much more interesting, Big C looks stronger, bigger, more imposing, his metal/steel shines more transcluently so the coloring is better, the compostion of the image is more dynamic and the image is of COLOSSUS ALONE! I can keep going on but you guys get it? User:Colossus34 21:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I suggest makes a good SHB picture:


 * 1) Follow the fair use criteria, especially the Images that cannot be fair use guidelines. These supersede all the following criteria. Also, source your images fully (including all applicable from issue/page/panel, scan source, web source) and give a fair use rationale.
 * 2) Ensure that the picture clearly shows as much of the character as possible:
 * 3) *The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best.
 * 4) *If a full-body shot is unavailable, the picture must show the whole of the head and torso (or the equivalent for non-humanoid characters).
 * 5) *Visibly contorted poses should not be used under any circumstances.
 * 6) *Pictures which hide significant areas the character in shadow should be avoided (exceptions apply only where the shadow is itself part of the character's look - e.g. Raven.), as should pictures where blur or distortion effects are applied.
 * 7) *Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should not be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first.
 * 8) *Heavily stylised art should only be considered for use when the character is closely associated with the style to the exclusion of less extreme styles.
 * 9) Pictures which have more characters and/or objects than the subject of the article should only be used if the subject is the most prominent object - editing the picture, by cropping, obscuring and/or painting out the other characters may help to ensure this.
 * 10) If the character has a clearly-defined primary costume (e.g. Superman), a picture of this should be used. Otherwise, the most recent ongoing costume of the character should be used.

"Flat and boring" are GOOD for SHB pictures. - SoM 23:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused here, are we both reading the same thing? It clearly says that as long as it portrays a good portain of the character (torso, knees and up) which the Bachlo image does and more importanlty shows him "with no background characters" then it is an ideal image. Also it portrays a more accurtate rendering of his imposing size, strength and unqiue "steel body shine." The Cassiday image is flat, shows others in background, makes Colossus look skinny, weak, and uninteresting as a main image. User:Colossus34 21:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Those are also your opinions and repeating them isn't going to change the fact that others disagree with you. Personally, I think the one you want is just too red. The Cassiday image is better balanced, color-wise. CovenantD 00:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * But it isn't. The torso is obscured by heavy shadow and the pose is heavily contorted.It is also heavily stylised and has a colour-cast. - SoM 04:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

That the Cassidey image is filled with background characters and is pretty flat is not an opinion but fact. The Red in the Bachlo backgorund can easily be changed if need be, although come to think of it is thematically interesting because it hints to Peter's Russian background. Any other recent images that could work? User:Colossus34 21:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It is recommended that a SHB pic be "three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best." The only part of that criteria that the Cassidy pic represents is the standing straight. He has less than half of his body showing and is missing an arm. Not a good representation.Dstorres


 * Torso = body minus arms and legs. And his costume is symmetrical, so one arm is as good as two.
 * And the Bachalo pic hides most of his body in shadow. And is heavily stylised.


 * I don't deny the Cassaday pic is less than ideal. But it's the better of the two presented here. - SoM 04:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * To quote someone above you, "Those are also your opinions and repeating them isn't going to change the fact that others disagree with you."Dstorres
 * That the torso (and thus costume) is obscured by shadow is fact. That Bachalo's art is heavily stylised is fact. That the character is doubled over and twisted to the point that his butt is cut off on one side and his head is cut off on the other (i.e., he is "visibly contorted") is fact.
 * Care to argue that black is white? - SoM 17:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Can we get some NEW pic candidates? Looks like neither is going to do. Cassiday is missing half the body, arm, and has background characters. I'll post some one:


 * another Bachlo
 * older Jim Lee
 * another Bachlo

TheCoreOne 04:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If those three are the only choices, I would go with the Jim Lee version (and I usually like Bachalo far better than Lee): the two Bachalo's pictures are too dark; the first one is a sideshot leaving only the face and left arm visisble and the second one has him kneeling, obscuring most of the costume with his leg. The Lee-picture isn't perfect either as it is a shot mostly from the sides. Isn't there a decent Handbook-picture? Most of those were frontal and with good lighting. Dizzy D 00:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * None of those are sourced, so they'll get deleted pretty quickly.
 * Of them, the Lee pic's the only acceptable one to me.
 * And Dizzy D: WP:CMC/CPRT - SoM 00:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a lot of images which can be deleted then in various articles. Dizzy D 00:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I got all the OHOTMU pictures I could find at the time deleted about six months ago. I doubt there can be that many to have sprung up since... - SoM 00:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the ones I recognised or added. The Lady Dorma/ Dorma (comics) might be one. I recognise the John Buscema picture, but the colouring is definitely different from the old Handbook picture. Perhaps cleaned up for the new Handbook? Dizzy D 01:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I also would like to see a new pic (as i'm no fan of cassaday's Colossus), i've uploaded some alternatives that struck me as being decent. The first is a Whilce Portacio pic from uncanny #281. Its probably my favourite Colossus pic of all time, though it has aged. The second is from the issue 'Decimation' that came just after house of M. I think its a good hero pose, with vibrant colours and decent pencilling.
 * Colossus by Whilce Portacio
 * Colossus in Decimation Pr1983 02:35 17 December 2006 (utc) sorry, i hadnt signed that before, my bad...

I like the second one MUCH better than the current Cassiday pic with the missing arm etc) and I'd rather have that until someone can get a current full body image that is more representative of Colossus size and strengthcolossus34 01:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I've got a full one. It's a varinat cover for Astonishing X-Men #19. It orinally had all the team on but i cut them of to get Colossus. I would post it i just don't know how. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Colossus_2.jpg Thelaststand3 10:49 17/12/06
 * you cheeky monkey... isnt that from the 'unstoppable' poster? the alternate cover for #19 has been confrimed as being cyclops, though im sure colossus will soon follow (as i'll be looking to pick it up) Pr1983 23:20 23 December 2006 (utc)

Survey

 * Merge --Newt ΨΦ 16:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge --Chris Griswold 22:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge --HKMARKS 00:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 'NO MERGE --colossus34 00:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Opposed/NO MERGE - The article has so much information, the addition would make an already extensive article too busy. I feel the article should be kept the way it is, a brief summary with a link to the already existing Ultimate article. --66.109.248.114, August 8, 2006.

Discussion closed with a result of MERGE--Chris Griswold 01:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
No. to whomever suggested it: Of all of the ultimate characters, colossus is most deserving of a seperate page. T-Man 02:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It was I. I disagree: I don't think the differences are so significant that they can't be summarized easily.  A large portion of the Ultimate Colossus article is plot summary (rather, a list of revelations about his past that could be made more linear, and don't really make sense out of context), or redundant detail, and that's not necessary.  In addition, he's already got a couple of paragraphs in Colossus (comics).  They're essentially two versions of the same character. -HKMARKS 04:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the biggest differences can be summarized easily, the rest are plot differences. --Newt ΨΦ 16:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I say merge them. Wiki really has too many splinter articles and if they are simply pages and pages of plot summary then they're unnessary.
 * Comment: I don't have an opinion as such, but be prepared for a lot of confusion from angry fans who are outrated to see LGBT characters category attached to Colossus. Some will protest its inclusion because it only belongs to Ultimate Colossus. Some people aren't going to understand the difference, be bothered to read the section, listen to reason -- and even when they're forced to, expect them to come up with a "reason" not to include it. It happens regularly to articles like Billie Joe Armstrong. ~ZytheTalk to me! 20:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say that'd be their fault for not reading. --Dr Archeville 20:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The LGBT category has been attached to Mary Jane Watson for months and only the version of the character who appeared in a few issues of Exiles is actually gay. There've been no problems that I'm aware of.  If someone starts vandalizing over it, well, that's what reverts and bans are for. --HKMARKS 04:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Additionally, the tag can be kept on the Ultimate Colossus redirect page, so there doesn't have to be cross-over. --Chris Griswold 05:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that's very true. ~ZytheTalk to me! 13:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Done!-Merlin Storm 01:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Confused by the separate "alternative" page, I came here only to find that the decision was made in 2006 to merge the articles. Yet this has not been done, or if done, was un-done at a later time? What gives? I use wikipedia a lot, and this was the first time I have seen a comic character's alternative info on a separate page. Definitely should be merged. 174.65.10.224 (talk) 01:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Colossus weight

 * I editted the weight portion of the powers to accomodate other descriptions of Colossus' weight, as seen in the Official Handbooks and later comics like X-men #84, which list him as weighing 500 lbs as opposed to a ton. Indori 23:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

We don't use the handbooks here at wiki, since after Magneto healed him he mentioned his weight and stregth increase. So the most recent comics have him listed at over a ton then thats canon.
 * X-men (2nd Series) #84 was published after Excalibur #98, making it more recent, and it lists Colossus at 500 lbs. I'd rather we just agree to leave his weight at something ambiguous like "at least doubled" or "greatly increased" than try to find a specific number when more than one has been given.Indori 02:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Erection
Uh, I'm not sure why anyone thinks Ultimate Colossus going metal when Northstar asks if he's single is a metaphor for an erection, I thought it was widely believed that he did this because he was taken aback and got defensive. Brad T. Cordeiro 00:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw it as blushing. Bit far-fetched to say it was a metaphor for an erection.  Indisciplined 20:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the first thing I thought of when I saw that picture was that he had "gotten hard". But, I have an exceptionally dirty mind (though I doubt I'm the only one to think of it). Noclevername 03:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

"Vast" superhuman strength
Small note regarding a tiny revert war, adjectives describing the extent of a character's strength (such as vast) do not belong in the superhero box, but in the article itself. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics/Archive16.

Colossus is listed as "the strongest X-man" and also able to lift weights OVER 100 tons.

This is NOT a citation. What does it come from? Even that most basic question isn't answered, and posting a pic on the talk page is no substitute for proper citation in an article anyway. Reverted. CovenantD 22:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

That pic looks like it's from one The Ultimate Guide to the X-Men. It's a huge book filled with info on characters, important storylines, etc. They also have them out for the Fantastic Four, Superman, Batman, Conan The Barbarian, and maybe some others. You can find them in any bookstore. I've never bought one but I've skimmed through them and I'm almost certain that pic comes from the Ultimate Guide to the X-Men. If that's what it is, then it can't be used anyhow. It'd be like including something from the OHOTMU. Odin&#39;s Beard 01:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The policy on using OHOTMU sources aside, the Ultimate Guides should never be used as a reference. They are chock-full of inaccuracies and outright errors, up to and including misidentifying characters completely. - Pennyforth 07:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes but Colossus has been stated as being Class 100 in countless manuals--one after another for MANY MANY years now. It's like saying wolvie can't be known to have adamantium clasw cuase its in the manual. When its stated again and again and again then its Marvel telling you he's CLASS 100

art
In the picture of colossus from this wiki article, there is a picture of him from the decimation one-shot. the art is clearly by Aaron Lopresti, yet someone keeps changing it back to John Cassaday. i thin Cassaday is a much better artist, but lets keep it accurate.

-Rimos 11/28/06

Why is every picture on the Colossus wiki page by John Cassady? He didn't create or draw the definitive version of the character. How about some Cockrum, Byrne or Romita Jr.?SlamBurger (talk) 00:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Similar mutants
For the life of me I can't remember the name of this mutant, but she should really be in 'see also' if anyone can remember her name. This one comic.. Spider-Man (recovering from Morbius-induced vertigo) was fighting Juggernaut (who had a sword for Black Tom Cassidy) and... well that's not important, but in the prelude bit, there was a panel showing this lavender-tinted humanoid gripping, umm, I wanna say Paul Stacy, and threatening him accordingly... and explaining that she had "the mutant ability to turn to living metal." ... She had kind of a flat top and little curlicue hair things on her temples. What was her name?? I'm totally drawing a blank. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.48.43 (talk) 05:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC).
 * in UXM 427, Husk fights a mutant who turns to metal, and she even compares him to colossus throughout the battle. now that i mention it, Husk could be comparable to colossus couldnt she?


 * According to uncannyxmen.net, a character called Robin Vega (Peter Parker, Spider-Man #82) fits your description. Noclevername 04:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Secret Wars Blast
It keeps getting added to the article that the character survived a powerful blast fired upon the various heroes involved in the Secret Wars crossover by Doctor Doom after he gained the powers of the Beyonder. This is simply not the case. The blast itself occurred in Secret Wars #11 and the aftermath revealed in #12. After the blast, the alien female healer Zsaji roamed among the remains of the heroes and is able to revive Colossus, who has been killed in the blast along with the others and was in his armored form at the time of the blast. Colossus then finds Reed Richards and places him into some type of healing machine within the fortress the heroes are using as a base. Richards is revived and the process is repeated with the remaining characters. I thought it best to clear this up once and for all rather than get into an edit war. Odin&#39;s Beard 00:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but you are WRONG in your assumption. If you will recall, the other heroes' bodies (including Thor, Thing, Hulk, etc.) were completely incinerated in the blast. Captain America's shield was also heavily cracked and damaged. Colossus' body was still somewhat intact. It was ravaged, of course, but his body was significantly less damaged than everyone else's. When you consider that Doom's blast was strong enough to splinter Cap's shield (always considered the most indestructible substance in the Marvel Universe), this speaks highly of Colossus' durability and is a very good feat.
 * What assumption? I stated a fact, not an assumption. Some editors continuously added that Colossus survived the blast and made references comparing his body's durability to Captain America's shield. Not that it's important, but since you brought it up, it doesn't say anything about their bodies being completely incinerated. In fact, the issue states that Zsaji finds the gory remains of the bodies of the victims. In fact, in one panel, Colossus is shown, after being revived, lifting the remains of Reed Richards off the ground. Wouldn't be any gory remains if they were completely incinerated nor would there be anything left for her to work with. But, I've gotten off track. The fact that his body might've been less damaged is irrelevant. The point I made was, despite the claims of other editors, he didn't survive the blast.Odin&#39;s Beard 01:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

osmium
i don't understand why the steel of colossus given analogous to osmium since osmium is a very toxic material. Can somebody explain this ?Banished one 21:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * In the original OHOTMU, it mentions something about his Osmium armor being extradimensional. It doesn't go into great detail about that, only that it's extradimensional. Now, with all the tinkering that's done, I'm not sure if that has been retconned or not since the first OHOTMU came out back in 1982. However, if it hasn't been retconned, then while it's similar to Osmium, it doesn't have all of it's properties, namely it's toxic effects while still being highly durable. I know that it's a bit vague, but so is Marvel when it comes to explaining certain facts about the powers or abilities of some of it's characters.Odin&#39;s Beard 23:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The real-life element Osmium has phisical properties which are not like those portrayed as Colossus' armored state. The phrase " similar to Osmium steel" was used in the first edition of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, but since other information in the Handbook has since been outdated, discarded, or retconned, I see no reason to keep the statement in the article. Noclevername 19:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Osmium has a blue/silver like look/texture to it, I think this is what the writers were refrencing by saying physical properties analgous to Osmium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.129.211.97 (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Density
Of the properties of "organic steel" this is very unlinke osmium – or even steel. Assuming he turns into metal inside out ("he must either transform completely or remain within his normal state") and that his proportions are the same in both forms (if they do change, I doubt it's for the slimmer, which would be required for a higher density), and knowing he's 6 ft 6 in (198 cm) and 250 lb (113 kg) in flesh and 7 ft 5 in (226 cm) and 500 lb (227 kg) armored, we can calculate his density at c. 1.35 times that of mean human tissue (which is almost equal to water). $$\frac{500 lb}{250 lb(\frac{89 in}{78 in})^3}\approx1.35$$

In other words, half the density of aluminium; the only metals with lower density are lithium, potassium and sodium. In his armored form he should weigh c. 2,900 lb (1,300 kg) if he were solid steel or c. 8,400 lb (3,800 kg) if osmium. Of course this is but yet another example of comic book writers being bad with numbers. --Anshelm &#39;77 (talk) 20:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Immunity to Rogue's powers?
Has Colossus ever been immune to Rogue's energy-draining powers? The article makes references to alternate universe versions of Colossus specifically not having any such immunity, but nowhere in the article does it state that he ever did in the mainstream continuity. And if it should say he is resistant to her powers, when was that established?--MythicFox 15:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Issues of Claremont's "Revolution". Kusonaga 08:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Vulnerability to Magnetism
Is it stated anywhere if Colossus is affected by Magnetism at all, or if his organic steel isn't affected by magnetic fields? Rajrajmarley 14:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

He is affected by it in X-Men: Evolution, not sure about elsewhere, though. Bluecatcinema 12:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I dimly recall him being affected in the Ultimates reality by Magneto but not by anywhere else. Lots42 11:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Kiss with Marrow???
When exactly did Piotr share a kiss with Marrow/Sarah? I distinctly remember them spending time together forming a father daughter bond, protecting and trusting each other but KISSING?? That's a new one! This information needs a source or it should be disregarded as nothing more or less than speculation on the Authors part.

Ryonslaught 16:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Christ Figure
A while ago, I referred to Colossus as a "Christ figure" and someone edited it out, saying it was "extremely POV." I'd just like to back up my claim.

In X-Men Annual #4, page 25, panel 8, Doctor Strange remarks, "...according to Dante, only one figure could open these unholy gates by force."

This is a reference to Christ. In Inferno, Virgil tells Dante that only Christ could open the gates of hell by force.

This is not my personal religious view or opinion. I only wanted to point out and elucidate a literary reference within the comic.

Thisglimpse 02:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)thisglimpse
 * Good point, but it has to be confirmed by the comic book writers. It's entirely possible the writer was not thinking of Dante at all. Lots42 (talk) 02:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Except for the part where the comic quote starts with "...according to Dante...". I'm not sure I'd support a general 'Christ-figure' assessment based solely on that, but he's clearly being compared to Christ in that instance. --69.209.65.254 (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

What If and Russian Mafia
1) I deleted the phrase 'Russian Mafia' out of the Ferro Lad subsection. Didn't seem to apply at all and had too much potential for pointless confusion.

2) Do we really want to put in What If sections in the Alternate Version sections? There have been so many What If stories that said sections would never, ever end. Lots42 11:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Where's his hand?
Removed this: ''However, if you watch his hand you will see that it is not yet in its metalic form when he places it on Rogue's forehead. '' --as it is not relevant; Rogue can copy a power whether it's active or not. Noclevername 19:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

yeah but she requires skin to skin contact not metal to skin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.52.139 (talk) 03:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Gay again
"Colossus is also known as one of the only openly gay comic characters." having read the above, I think this needs to be properly covered in the article. Rich Farmbrough, 16:54 3 May 2008 (GMT).
 * Mainstream Piotr is not, the one in the 'Ultimate' universe is. This is covered Lots42 (talk) 20:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

The Kitty/Romance Section
The Kitty/Romance section is filled with speculation and confusion...and I -own- most of these stories. Lots42 (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Relationships. Rogue?
Under the relationships category, I recall that Colossus actually had sex with Rogue in some issue. Could someone who recalls the details of this with better accuracy add this here?12.41.12.131 (talk) 20:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have the issues, but I recall that it was revealed Peter and Rogue could safely kiss when he was metal, which now raises a whole -host- of questions. Someone call Stan Lee! Lots42 (talk) 02:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

REALLY the Strongest X-Man?
I think there's an argument to be made for Rogue.76.113.64.124 (talk) 15:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Moving topic to bottom. Well, this not a forum, but either way, from a content perspective, Rogue doesn't have super strength anymore.  That still makes him the X-Men's heaviest hitter by default.Luminum (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

RETCON Blood or energy
originally, Colossus when he was cut would simply leak out energy but now it appears he has red blood and organs according to Wolverine # 4 retcon.
 * As with all retcons, we should maintain an out of universe perspective. This could be accomplished by adding a sentence pointing out the retcon and cite the recent change. All character changes  are "true" in real world, even if not in-universe.Luminum (talk) 03:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Telepathic/Psionic Immunity
Is this even credible? There is on-panel proof that he can be attacked telepathically. -Ace (talk) 08:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Relationships section
I'm thinking of removing this section from the article. Colossus has never been a romance-driven character, so having a whole section on his romantic affairs seems like WP: Fancruft and WP:Undue weight. Also, the section mostly repeats info from "Fictional character biography", making it essentially redundant anyway. I don't see anything in the section that would be worth salvaging and sorting into other sections.

Any opinions on this?--NukeofEarl (talk) 16:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Nearly a week has gone by with no objections, so I'm going to go ahead and remove it.--NukeofEarl (talk) 15:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Could (or should) any of the sourced parts of that be merged into the fictional character biography section? 129.33.19.254 (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I did look over the sourced parts before making the deletion, but a few things held me back from merging any of them. First of all, not only is the source for the Jim Shooter quote a fansite, but it doesn't mention the quote at all. Most of the other sourced parts are either trivia or are already sourced in "Fictional character biography". There is one sourced part which doesn't fall under any of these, and I've gone ahead and merged that into "Fictional character biography". However, as I have not actually read the comic in question, I ask that you (and anyone else reading this) check it over to make sure that I didn't misuse the reference.--NukeofEarl (talk) 15:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't really agree with the removal of this section because he has a pretty in-depth and complicated history with Kitty Pryde, and has been with Domino for quite a while at this point (long enough to have it be mentioned, and it isn't even on the page so far, despite taking place during X-force and latter issues). Colossus' romance with Kitty Pryde (despite it being on and off again) has been notable for both characters, and had controversy surrounding it in its inception. Anchorsify (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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