Talk:Columbia (personification)

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Shouldn't the country 'columbia' have the right to this direct link? Instead of a poetic term?

Sandertje 21:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

No, because the country of Colombia is spelled with an "O".

Newman 16:32 2 February 2006 (CST)

If a country named Columbia existed I'd agree, as it doesn't it can't The country is Colombia DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.70.199.146 (talk) 00:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move
Historical Columbia → Columbia – see Talk:Columbia for discussion and survey. --Yath 04:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

i think that columbia shouldn't spell with an O, because columbia have many informatin , so i think that it names it, because of the population or the national resources.

As the country is based on the name of the explorer, which is written with a U in english but not in spanish, or italian (the spaniards being the financial backers to the italian born Columbus, either Spanish or Italian would be far more important to naming countries and areas in South America — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.70.199.146 (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Article move
I propose to move this article to 'Columbia (name)'. In a number of contexts, Columbia or its derivatives are historical and, thus, the title rather obvious. Thoughts? Corticopia 17:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Gender
There is scant discussion of the fact that "Columbia" is a feminine form of the name "Columbus" (as implied by the illustrations personifying Columbia as a woman). So why female? (BTW "Columbian" is derived directly from "Columbus", not necessarily from "Columbia".) MrDarwin 20:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * National personifications are nearly always female, for much the same reason ships are considered female. Powers T 15:11, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Irrelevant and false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.70.199.146 (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What is? Powers T 15:11, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * All of this nonsense. Columbia is evidently a female name, and there's plenty of historical evidence to back it up.201.239.206.63 (talk) 20:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it is the feminine form of the family name of Christopher Columbus. It is not unusual for countries to have a feminine representation. The French have Marianne, the British have Britannia, The Republic of Ireland has Ériu, and so on. Of course, not all countries have this feminine representation, but there are enough to suggest that the creation of such representations for a nation was not strange. Earnulf Gery (talk) 16:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

"Columb" - latin origins
Why is there nothing on the latin origins of the words Columbus, Columbia etc.?

It's important to note that the latin "columb" means "dove". Queen Semirimis was represented by a dove, or "columb" on earth by the Romans. You can now see her statue (which some people call the "statue of liberty") in the US and a replica on the River Seine in France. I feel this has just been casually swept under the rug...for reasons unknown to me. How prominant is the "columb" in America? Very. People really need to do their homework on the origins of this word and how it related to the democratic societies in Europe and their plans for America (District of Columbia anyone?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.221.40.3 (talk • contribs) September 24, 2007
 * Irrelevant since he was italian. 201.239.206.63 (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed irrelevant. The Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World) is a statue of Libertas, the Roman goddess of liberty.Earnulf Gery (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Columbus
This text seems pretty euro-centric: A feminine form derived from Christopher Columbus, who is generally considered to have discovered the New World upon first visiting the Americas in 1492, the moniker dates from before the American Revolution in 1776 but fell out of use in the early 20th Century. Is there any precedent for just changing this so that it says something like "Christopher Columbus, who is generally considered to have discovered the New World for Europeans upon..."? My opinion is that statements like these are ignorant to everyone who had already lived in America, therefore already having discovered it. I asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America if they would help come to a consensus on this too. Its just a small change that I think should be made because the English language Wikipedia is not Eurocentripedia. I would greatly appreciate any debate and/or support on the issue.--DerRichter (talk) 21:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Move proposal August 2008
I suggest moving this article currently at "Columbia (name)" to "Columbia", and the current disambiguation page at "Columbia" to "Columbia (disambiguation)". -- Infrogmation (talk) 19:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

European colonies in the New World?
The article currently claims that Columbia is the poetic name for America in the sense of "European colonies in the New World". I think this is wrong. My understanding is that it is the poetic name for America in the sense of the United States. Note for example that the first picture depicts her draped in a US flag. See also this mildly unsafe-for-work drawing of "Columbia and Cuba" http://www.flickr.com/photos/32912172@N00/3153644672/. This wouldn't make sense if Columbia referred to European colonies -- Cuba was also a European colony.

What is the source for the "European colonies" claim? --Trovatore (talk) 23:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The sources are provided in the references in the first paragraph under "History". As you can see by the dates, the name "Columbia" pre-dated the existence of the United States of America by almost forty years. As it was first used, it applied to British, Spanish, and other European colonies in the New World, not specifically, or even especially, to the British colonies which now form the United States. RandomCritic (talk) 15:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Columbia and Athena
Personified Columbia,often portrayed wearing a helmet,ancient greek style,with an eagle sitting beside her reminds me of ancient greek godess Athena and her owl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitsof (talk • contribs) 08:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Discovery of America
Columbus did not discover America. 28 November 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.186.133 (talk) 13:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Move article to "Columbia (personification)"
The current article title is mistakable. Could somebody with the proper rights please move it to "Columbia (personification)"? Thanks. Norrk (talk) 16:15, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


 * 7 years later, I agree with Norrk. This is not about people named "Columbia."  Should go either to personification or goddess.  Any objection to a move to personification?  SnowFire (talk) 05:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you SnowFire, I also agree. Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Main image
Uhm...I can't find a reliable source that this image depicts Columbia with outspread arms. The Phrygian cap might be an indicator symbolizing freedom which was something identified with Libertus/Liberty isn't it? --Mark Miller (talk) 02:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * that image in question (left) was well known as Columbia because it was used since 1890s by the Columbia company in ads for its grammaphone (shown at right) & later for its movies (& indeed the movie company still uses a variation of it) see this URL for uncropped ad  ColumbiaHerselfSmall.jpg  Rjensen (talk) 08:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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Decline in Popularity
While Americans today may be vaguely familiar with the Columbia Pictures logo, few are aware of its significance. What happened? Did schools stop teaching us about Miss Columbia for some reason? This article should attempt to address her decline in popularity. Bryan (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)