Talk:Columbia College Chicago/Archive 1

Requirements
To get into this college what courses do you have to take in high school? Do you have to have art or is music enough? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KHislove (talk • contribs) 14:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC). Columbia has open enrollment. No specific high school courses are required, just a diploma or GED. AaronCBurke 00:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Common Ground
I noticed that the page still says "Q-Force" for the on-campus GLBTQIA group. I'm part of this organization and we have changed our name to Common Ground, so I changed it. Thank you, Bella —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.234.25 (talk) 23:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

SHOPCOLUMBIA
This section reads like an advertisement from the store and should either be deleted or significantly modified.

138.16.8.28 (talk) 05:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Lead Section
The lead section needs to be fixed. Too many external links, and it turns into an "Awards and Honors" section or something. A change like this is above my pay grade. TylerRDavis (talk) 05:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Reception, reputation, awards and criticism
I accidentally deleted some part of the information on this section. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.203.128.192 (talk) 02:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Columbia edits
Per WMF terms of use, user account OnlineCommsUpdate works for Columbia College Chicago and has updated several inaccuracies to the page, including number of degree programs, number of students, addresses, building names and the removal of ShopColumbia (previously flagged as being too much of an advertisement). These updates took place 25 June 2015. OnlineCommsUpdate (talk) 14:59, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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Columbia College is a degree mill.
Yes, "Shop Columbia" is flagrantly inappropriate content, and an indication that this may have been written by the school's PR department. More importantly, Columbia is an open-admissions, tuition-driven institution. This has a profound impact on the overall quality of education delivered there. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to provide college-level training in the arts to students who have never proven that they are capable of doing college work, let alone that they have artistic talent. The many bright, hopeful young students who are sucked in by public relations puff pieces like this are the ones who are damaged. Academically, many other students are beyond help. They're Chicago Public Schools products who graduated from high schools without learning to read. In addition, the school's buildings are aging and dirty and much of their equipment is inadequate and outdated. It's true that some graduates go one to do great things. That's true of all colleges, and the PR people use those graduates in their ads. The fact is that when people graduate from overpriced, over-rated schools like Columbia, they succeed in spite of their education, not because of it. Westernscribenew (talk) 13:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Your apparent hatred of Columbia seems pretty unwarranted. I am seriously considering going there to study music production and from all that I have read/heard/seen, it looks like a very quality place to get an education. You say that the school is just a "place to go" for uneducated city kids, which is bogus. You also say that kids are coming there without any proven artistic ability and this is a bad thing. That is also not true. If one decides to spend, at least for me, 30 to 40K on a year of school, a. I better know that music/art is what I want to do and b. that even if I have no artistic ability (which makes no sense; why would I go to an art school without any talent?), I have the knowledge that skill will be developed here. Because that is the point of higher education. You seem to think that Columbia is a poor choice for those interested in art/music/film, etc, but it is one of the best schools in America for that type of study. And did you really get that rant started by deeming this Wikipedia article as a promotional piece for the college? Really? So what if one section on the school store is written like it would be on a official Columbia webpage? I will succeed both because of my education and because of my already fiery drive to succeed. If you think Columbia graduates do not go on to success with help from the college, then you are a woefully ill-informed person. Kmanner (talk) 16:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Folks: Neutral point-of-view. Verifiable. Wikipedia is not a forum. If you can provide citations to reliable sources, do so in the article. Otherwise, this discussion does not belong on Wikipedia. Thank you. — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 01:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not "hate" Columbia College; I hate seeing students waste their time. Here's a fact: Columbia College is unranked by U.S. News and World Report and by other major publishers of institutional rankings. This is because it is open-admissions. There's nothing wrong with Wikipedia publishing an article on this school. There is something wrong with not mentioning the problems of an open-admissions art school, and there is something even more wrong with the grossly commercial discussion of its gift shop. Wikipedia is not a brochure. Being the largest art school in the country is not a mark of distinction. In fact, the fundamental problem with Columbia College is related to the quality it touts: it's big. It's big because it does not limit its enrollments. There is a reason for that. It's not because it warmly and fuzzily and democratically embraces people from all walks of life. If it did, it wouldn't be so expensive. It does not limit its enrollments because it wants as much tuition money as it can get. Now, the members of its administration, its PR department, and its faculty are very careful to do everything to avoid this reality: in order to make art, one needs talent. Talent is, by definition, inborn and innate. You don't get it by acquiring skill. You don't get it by purchasing the most expensive camera, or the most expensive education money can buy. You're born with it, and by late adolescence, if you've got it, it will make itself apparent. Therefore, any student who actually has talent should strongly consider applying to a closed-admissions art school, one that requires a portfolio or other demonstration of work. These schools are also very expensive, but it's possible to get various kinds of financial aid. Once in the program, the talented painter, photographer, writer, or what have you will be surrounded by other talented students. That creates an entirely different atmosphere, one that keeps the student on his or her toes, as it were, and provides a sense of proportion and a sense that other students might be better. You might wonder why such an admission process demonstrates talent. It's because talent does not hide itself: it is apparent to experts in the field. There are two ways in which Columbia covers up this fact: by telling students that if they're showing up and willing to pay big bucks, then they're talented. It's easy to pass off that notion on a generation of kids--actually two generations--brought up on the consumerist notion that he or she (and it's usually a he) who buys the most expensive camera has the most talent. The other means at Columbia's disposal is that for the last thirty years, children have been taught that self-esteem is the most important quality they can develop. In a misguided attempt to develop a false sense of self-esteem, schools have simply stopped talking about talent. They might, at times call it merit, but that, too, is a bad word. So an entire generation has grown up thinking that if you have the "drive to succeed," you'll succeed. The problem: what if you've get the drive to succeed, but reaching down within yourself, you find you've got nothing to express? If you think Columbia loves you, try falling behind on your tuition. Good luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westernscribenew (talk • contribs) 14:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems ridiculous that this is even a discussion topic. We could sit here and talk about open admissions, or Columbia's ranking on the Forbes "Best Colleges" list, but this is an encyclopedia, so your opinions on a particular institution aren't useful. TylerRDavis (talk) 21:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

--- This is my college. I graduated in 1991. Reasons I went to this college. 1) At that time it was the fastest growing college in the state. A Boomtown. 2) The second and most important reason. I wanted to be around successful people. At that time the drop out rate was 50 percent. As for the rest of us. It was and is a serious academic institution. I would caution anyone who says otherwise. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC77:4CC0:DC05:8096:B27B:E27B (talk) 17:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

2017 Columbia College Part-Time Staff Strike
Columbia College Chicago had a short staff strike in 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC77:4CC0:988C:1FF7:40E6:AA41 (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)