Talk:Columbine High School massacre/Archive 4

The level of detail of the massacre
Note that I'm coming here from the Sandy Hook shooting article, where it was pointed out the detail of the massacre here.

Certainly in this case the level of detail of the massacre is very high due to multiple eyewitnesses and cameras, and so a detailed progression of the events can be written. But we need to remember this is an encyclopedia and we are meant to summarize sources as a tertiary work. The level of detail here is appropriate for a book about the event, but not in a summary, and I really think this needs to be trimmed down. Obviously, the overall movements must be mentioned, but we don't need the precision as given since the sources we include as references.

If this level of detail has been discussed before and determined appropriate, that's one thing (and it would help to provide the source), but if not, I strongly recommend trimming this down. --M ASEM (t) 21:03, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with this proposal. --MarchOrDie (talk) 21:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I also agree completely. The level of detail provided here is unnecessary, unencyclopedic and (I suggest) possibly embellished in places, given the gross lack of referencing in places.  For example, none of the last seven paragraphs of the library massacre section contain any references at all.  I suggest that someone needs to go through the whole sequence of events with a fine toothcomb, cutting things down to the important details (who shot whom and where and when) that can actually be supported with sources. Trystaneian (talk) 12:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

If someone was willing to go through the trouble of typing and referencing it, I don't have a problem reading (or skimming) it. Space on wikipedia isn't as critical as for ordinary paper encyclopaedias. As for the unreferenced material, I agree. 4.156.228.111 (talk) 19:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Disagree, regarding anything referenced.

Armed Security Guard
After seeing the following articles today, I did a quick search of this article and couldn't find anything about an armed security guard being in the school. Maybe I was searching for the wrong words. Anway, is this true or not? If yes, then please add it to the article. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  01:30, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html
 * http://gawker.com/5970539/columbine-had-an-armed-security-guard-on-duty-and-the-nra-is-dumb


 * I must say, I don't remember this in Dave Cullen's book (which btw is excellent). -mattbuck (Talk) 01:38, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, Columbine did have an armed school resource officer on duty that day. He was the first officer to arrive on scene mentioned in the article.  If we can find a good reference, the article should be modified to say that this officer was the school resource officer. --Footwarrior (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Columbine_High_School_massacre&diff=529550339&oldid=529495637 added this]. It's from the same CNN feature ("columbine.cd") that we're using in other part, just a different page. Superm401 - Talk 06:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Behavior apparently unmotivated
"Klebold knew that if Brooks accessed the address [of Harris's website], he would discover the content and inform his parents, and likely the authorities would be notified."
 * Since Klebold was Harris's friend and co-conspirator, why would he try to get Harris in trouble?

Whoever knows enough about the story could improve the article by making that clear. 4.156.228.111 (talk) 19:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary comment
"(often known simply as Columbine)" This may not be necessary or even appropriate. The Battle of Gettysburg is often called simply "Gettysburg", etc. Almost all long phrases are abbreviated somehow. In a few years the word "Columbine" alone will probably not be familiar enough to represent the incident. Such an abbreviation can also be considered a type of jargon which is discouraged by wikipedia rules. 4.154.218.139 (talk) 21:07, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, removed. --MarchOrDie (talk) 22:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Time line update
I have updated the time line to clarify the police role. All of the references come from the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office report of May 20, 2000. JCSO HowardMorland (talk) 15:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Use of jargon?
Wiki rules specify no jargon. I suggest "blog" is slang or jargon for "weblog", and that the term blog be replaced by weblog (the latter term is also more informative etymologically; it's a web-log). 4.156.228.111 (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * While your etymology is correct, the term "weblog" is somewhat antique, rather like "autocar." I haven't seen "weblog" used since something like 1999: in any case everybody knows what a blog is, and introducing the archaic term, which is itself jargon, seems confusing. Webster's has "blog: as the primary reference: "weblog" refers back to blog for the definition, while acknowledging the etymology.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Disagree that everyone knows what a blog is or that anything as recent as 1999 should be called "archaic" or that that should even be relevant to expanding an abbreviation. But... I guess I can't argue with the dictionary's editors (unhappily).4.156.228.62 (talk) 19:40, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * We can certainly link to blog to help in understanding the term. I sympathize with your resignation to language that now evolves at Internet speed (about 5x what it would be otherwise), but it has its good points. Otherwise, in the 1990s we'd have been saying modulator-demodulator instead of modem.  Acroterion   (talk)   19:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 January 2013
Name of person introducing Klebold to Mark Manes for the purchase of a handgun name is incorrect- name is actually Philip Duran- see http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col0624.htm   Wikipedia text reads- Through Robert Duran, another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.

Thank you, Roy Sutherland-

Roy Sutherland (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done. Thanks. Rivertorch (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Citation request: Firearms
Significant facts in the ‘Firearms’ section are uncited—particularly the details about the type of magazines used and the number of shots fired.

A citation should be added or the sentence removed.

Mikhail4684 (talk) 02:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC) Mikhail4684

Largest Massacre at an American High School
While perhaps true, this is an incomplete. A footnote should be inserted to refer to the Bath School Disaster, at Both Consolidated School, where 38 elementary school children were killed by explosives planted in the school which included Grades 1 - 12. Only elementary students (and 6 adults) were killed because the bombs detonated only under the elementary wing of the school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.72.175 (talk) 06:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Parents?
It'd be nice to see more information about the parents of Harris and Klebold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.2.206 (talk) 03:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Injuries and deaths in initial incident table needs to be fixxed
The table says "15. Patrick Ireland, age 17. Shot in the arm, leg, head and foot." this is incorrect he was shot twice in the head, once in the foot, and suffered a laceration on his right elbow. He was never shot in the leg.

Patrick's wiki page agrees with this account as well as http://www.acolumbinesite.com/victim/injured5.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.101.28.208 (talk) 09:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Port Arthur?
I realize it's likely just there to 'round out' the list, but why is Port Arthur in the See Also section? How relevant is it considering in Port Arthur a school was not the target, it was not an American event and the weapons used were different? Wouldn't Dunblane be a more apt international comparison? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.127.21 (talk) 06:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Were Deputy Gardner's eyeglasses a factor?
I question the statement:

He was not wearing his prescription eyeglasses, and was unable to hit the shooters.

The cited source is inconclusive about whether or not Gardner's use of non-prescription sunglasses was a factor. There doesn't have to be a reason why he did not hit a rifleman when shooting at that range with a pistol. Other officers, shooting from closer range, also missed their targets. HowardMorland (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I propose to simply remove that sentence. There does not seem to be any information on the degree to which Gardner needed prescription glasses to shoot a pistol at a target 60 meters away.  From Gardner's statement it appears he could see his target in some detail.  In this narrative, any statement about his glasses implies that Gardner was not properly equipped for his duties, a charge which is not supported by available evidence.  HowardMorland (talk) 05:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
WP:CRIME says, "A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person." Furthermore, if WP:SPINOUT was to be considered, these two should have separate sub-articles and not be grouped together. Technical 13 (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per WP:BIO1E. This was a major event, and as a duo, the two played an important role in the event.  They don't have significance as individuals, so they should not each have their own articles, consider Bonnie and Clyde. Ryan Vesey 18:07, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As an aside, I'll note that I learned of the proposed merger while pointing someone to the page Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as an example of the appropriate way to deal with an article with two criminals. Ryan Vesey 18:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * My proposal was to move them incorporate them here, not separate them, they would not be notable if not for the massacre. Technical 13 (talk) 18:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No, you're proposal was to merge them, which I opposed per WP:BIO1E. Your alternative proposal was to split them into two separate articles, which I also opposed. Ryan Vesey 18:23, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Is this the only article for criminals you've proposed merging, or are there others? Ryan Vesey 18:24, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The proposal was to incorporate merge Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold into Columbine High School massacre because I do not feel the perpetrators of a WP:CRIME deserve their own page where as WP:PRECISE and WP:1E say they should likely be merged with the incident that they are known for since they were not notable on their own. Technical 13 (talk) 19:55, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:1E states "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate". I'm not sure how WP:PRECISE has anything to do with this.  It is common practice to have articles on the perpetrators of crimes and they survive deletion and merge discussions practically 100% of the time.  Is this the only article you've proposed for merger, or have there been more? Ryan Vesey 20:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose as impractical given the size of the two articles. They're not overly long articles in need of trimming, either, but legitimately long articles about people and events about whom a lot has been written and said. I also agree with Ryan's logic about the notability of the two criminals that inextricably ties them together and makes the duo the appropriate unit of analysis. ElKevbo (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The duo are deserving of having their own analysis, as they played a major role in a very noteworthy event, and much has been written and documented about the two. The massacre and the perpetrators themselves are both two notable things that deserve their own articles. Beerest355 (talk) 19:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per "if the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one..." as quoted by Ryan Vesey above from WP:1E. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  02:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This article is very useful on its own. PWNGWN (talk) 11:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

"shit that you've given us" link
This seems like a bizarre place for a link to an unrelated / general article about school bullying. Surely, there is a more appropriate part within the article (like say, in the "bullying" section below).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.18.51 (talk) 06:12, 16 December 2012‎ (UTC)

I agree with this. The link seems interpretative, even apologetic of what should just be a factual quote. The link in the same quote to the jock page is OK because it is a definition. Antoniodlp (talk) 19:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 August 2013
Aaronparkerathome (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC) I have an entry that I think would be useful to put under "Furthur Reading" in the Columbine High School Massacre page.

Larkin, Ralph W. "The Columbine Legacy. Rampage Shootings as Political Acts", American Behavioral Scientist, 52 (May 2009), 1309-1326.
 * ✅ -- Diannaa (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Biographies of Living Persons Noticeboard
See BLPN discussion here.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Citation 8
It appears that Citation 8 with is labeled as: " ^ Jump up to: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y "Columbine". The Final Report. Season 1. Episode 9. " Is being used as a fail-safe for anything not given enough reference. The citation in question also appears a total of 25 times, and redirects to another Wikipedia article, this one. []

I suggest that it either be given a more proper source, or be removed by someone qualified to do so. Please take this into consideration. Thank you. (*-Japalion9) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japalion9 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Journals Problem
Under the Journals heading it states the perpetrators started keeping Journals soon after their arrests. However the pair committed suicide so they were never arrested. I would fix it but I have no idea what is supposed to be here. Etineskid (talk)  05:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

The arrest in question was for the earlier offence mentioned in the article. Dylan and Eric were arrested back in January of 1998 for breaking into a car and stealing some tools and equipment, it was after this arrest that they began keeping journals.81.134.134.139 (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)Matt81.134.134.139 (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

"massacre"?
Wouldn't "Columbine High School shooting" be a better name for the article? We don't use "massacre" in the title of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, for example, in which twice as many people were murdered. At the very least, we need to standardize the naming of school shooting articles in some way. 75.76.213.161 (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's a matter of what it's called in the media. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:33, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2014
A4anupam1984 (talk) 06:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Repeat of entire article removed

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is not a "spot the difference" competition, where we are supposed to work out what you have changed.

Non-neutral part about Eric Harris
I have altered the article to remove the following part:


 * Harris began to write a paper journal, in which he recorded his thoughts and plans. There he boasted of having faked his letter of regret to the owner of the van from which he and Klebold had stolen items and praised himself for his deception.[14]

This is gonna be tl;dr, I know, but the above bit has bothered me for years. For some reason, this text has survived multiple revamps.

I've read a lot of Eric's writings (not all I think, but a lot), and to my knowledge he has never literally stated that he "faked his letter of regret". In the 4/12/98 entry of his journal, Harris did write something about the owner of the van, believing he had the right to steal his possessions if he wanted to. However, he never mentioned the letter, or even the diversion program it was part of. The statement lists a source, #14, but it's a general page which actually doesn't support anything.

'So what?', you may think. Eric Harris was a psychopath after all, he hated people and deceived them all the time. I'm not so sure about that though, and I don't think it is Wikipedia's task to draw such a conclusion. There is a possibility that Harris actually felt bad about the break-in for some time, and wished that he didn't do it. He may have been in an entirely different mindset when he wrote the apology letter, resorting back to his rage-filled mood later on, while writing his rants.

Furthermore, I object to the statement that Harris "praised himself for his deception" in his journal. Afaik, he never did this. He did wrote:


 * you know what, I feel like telling about lies. I lie a lot. almost constant. and to everybody, just to keep my own ass out of the water. and by the way (side note) I dont think I am doing this for attention, as some people may think. lets see, what are some big lies I have told; "yeah I stopped smoking," "for doing it not for getting caught," "no I'm havent been making more bombs," "no I wouldn't do that," and of course, countless of other ones, and yeah I know that I hate liers and I am one myself, oh fucking well. Its ok If I am a hypocrite, but no one else. because I am higher then you people, no matter what you say if you disagree I would shoot you

While he acknowledges here that he deceived people to stay out of trouble, it doesn't sound like he "praised himself" for it. It seems more like an admission, realizing that he is basically a hypocrite for hating liars yet being one himself. Harris hated people who lied in the sense that he hated people who boasted about themselves. An example of this is a part from wisdom2.htm, which specifically mentions Brooks Brown (a frequent target of his).

Cheers, Manifestation (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

60 yards
Even if Gardener had had good eyesight, the distance, 60 yards, would have made accuracy very hard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.172.143 (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Yea, but the guy must have been a very competent shooter. Soriehlam (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2014
Columbine High School is located in the town of Littleton not the town of Columbine. Columbine High School Address 6201 S. Pierce St. Littleton, CO 80123 is the address of the school.

216.66.110.131 (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

The school is located at 6201 South Pierce Street, one mile west of the Littleton city limits and one-half mile south of the Denver city/county line. “Littleton” is indicated in the school’s postal address because its ZIP code, 80123, is primarily associated with that city. However, the school is in Jefferson County and part of the Jefferson County Public Schools district, and not the Littleton Public Schools system; Littleton is the seat of Arapahoe County. - Arjayay (talk) 17:04, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌ to quote the Columbine High School article:-

It should be called a hoax
The video clearly shows a dummy being dragged, then left in the puddle by the SWAT team. SWAT members don't carry dummy's around in their vehicle's waiting for school shooting to use them. The video is clear, revise this page to reflect the truth.

3 minutes everyone MUST see. (Columbine WAS A DRILL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcQ58fNqezg — Preceding unsigned comment added by DallasGoldBug (talk • contribs) 09:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * A YouTube video about some insane nutcase saying "it was a conspiracy" is NOT a reliable source. Especially when YOU make the video and post it onto Wikipedia. Columbine was NOT staged, it was not a drill, and your conspiracies are not "the truth". Several innocents were shot, and I doubt very much that the SWAT team would shoot random kids just "for a hoax". ConCass (talk) 22:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

It should not be called a massacre
This has been mentioned multiple times before, but I believe the title of this article should be changed. WP:Commonname would suggest that we use the term shooting instead, since "Columbine shooting" yields 5,690,000 results and "Columbine massacre" yields 333,000. The Sandy Hook elementary school shooting, which is similar in nature, is not called a massacre, and Wikipedia should be relatively consistent—not to mention that the negative connotations of the word "massacre" may imply that Columbine had more casualties, while the opposite is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.27.101.231 (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. World War II was a massacre not Columbine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oddtruth (talk • contribs) 21:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Bullying
Bullying is very underestimated in the USA and in the world. Please there needs to be more emphasis on this. More and more school shootings are happening because of it. Look at the Virginia Tech shooting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oddtruth (talk • contribs) 21:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Facts Are Wrong
The attack did happen at Columbine High School, but the school is located in Littleton, Colorado. Not Columbine. Get the facts straight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.161.12 (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * A very good day to you, too. From Littleton, Colorado, I quote:
 * Littleton became widely known in 1999 when the Columbine High School massacre occurred at nearby Columbine High School, which the news media erroneously reported as being located in the city. The school is actually located in Columbine, an unincorporated community in Jefferson County, yet in a ZIP code associated primarily with Littleton. The school is in the Jefferson County school system and is not one of the Littleton Public Schools.
 * Richard 12:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Isn't this statement wrong?
The introduction mentions that "The Columbine High School massacre was the deadliest mass murder committed on an American school campus since 1927, until the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting." What about Virginia Tech? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.244.120.30 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're absolutely right. The Virginia Tech shooting occurred prior to the one on Sandy Hook Elementary. Richard 12:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What about University of Texas massacre where 16 were killed? Comfr (talk) 06:39, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The article referenced calls it the 'deadliest high school shooting in US history'. I put it like that in the article as well. Sandy Hook, Bath, and the University of Texas are not high schools, plus Bath was not a shooting. Richard 09:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Nine Inch Nails
Should Nine Inch Nails be mentioned in this page, too? As I know that on the album page: The Downward Spiral, Dylan Klebold had lyrics referenced from the songs multiple times, identifying with the protagonist of the album. Typhoon966 (talk) 18:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure how that would be relevant to the article. Probably falls under WP:TRIVIA. TySoltaur (talk) 20:19, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request: Harris, not Klebold, killed Rohrbough
There was some question as to who killed Dan Rohrbough - at first some thought a policeman accidentally had - but an investigation later revealed that Harris, not Klebold, killed Dan Rohrbough: http://www.acolumbinesite.com/victim/dannyr.html http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cop-cleared-in-columbine-death-19-04-2002/ It's possible Klebold shot his body, as Harris later did to Townsend, but Dan Rohrbough was killed by Eric Harris. Can someone please change the sentence where it states Klebold did to stating that Harris killed Rohrbough, or to mentioning the initial confusion? PeterLewisKingstonKlebold (talk) 22:40, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * At first I was wondering why you didn't do it yourself, but then I noticed that the article is semi-protected. Do you have a suggestion on how to phrase it? Richard 09:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps something like, "It was initially believed that Rohrbough was killed by Klebold; however, later investigation revealed that it was in fact Harris who fired the fatal shot. The shots Harris fired traveled through Rohrbough's abdomen and into his chest, causing him to begin to bleed out before Klebold then shot him in the chest at point-blank range." PeterLewisKingstonKlebold (talk) 18:22, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I'll try something different. It is already stated that Harris shot Rohrbough, Graves, and Kirklin. Since Rohrbough bled out on the sidewalk (see the first link you provided), he must have been still alive when Klebold shot him. Let me know what you think of it. Richard 10:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The autopsy report shows that the chest wound was the fatal one. Maybe some research could determine whether the shots earlier inflicted by Harris would have been fatal themselves.--82.3.162.160 (talk) 11:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The first link provided by PeterLewisKingstonKlebold, from the same website, states that "Lawsuits and independent investigation has confirmed that Dan died from the shot fired by Eric Harris" and "The Columbine Report states that it was Dylan Klebold who fired the fatal shot but an independent investigation by the El Paso County Sheriff's Dept. determined it was Eric Harris' weapon that was responsible". Richard 13:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Proza
While some of the more recent changes make for good reading, I wonder if and how statements like "Klebold walked down the steps toward the cafeteria. He 'came up to Kirklin, who was already wounded and lying on the ground, weakly calling for help. Klebold said "Sure. I'll help you", then' shot Kirklin in the face [...]" are based on multiple, independent and reliable sources. Richard 08:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit request: change category

 * Please change to . 37.54.111.51 (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

✅ and removed another couple of super-categories this is already a sub-category of - Arjayay (talk) 12:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request: correct error
This sentence contains a factual error: "He turned toward the table to his left and fired, injuring 18-year-olds Lisa Kreutz and Valeen Schnurr with the same shotgun bullet."

Shotguns do not shoot bullets. They shoot "shot" (groups of pellets) or "slugs" (which are like bullets).

Please change to: "He turned toward the table to his left and fired, injuring 18-year-olds Lisa Kreutz and Valeen Schnurr with the same shotgun blast."

Please correct.

El757 (talk) 13:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done -- Sam Sailor Talk! 14:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2015 - Re: Columbine High School - It is located in Littleton Colorado, not "Columbine, Colorado"
It is located in Littleton Colorado, not "Columbine, Colorado"

174.29.198.133 (talk) 01:39, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not, but that is a common mistake. See references 1 and 2, already in the article. Richard 08:56, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2016
I think that you should add "and age" after the start date. For example, April 20, 1999

2607:FB90:644E:16DC:0:4A:DF2F:A601 (talk) 05:30, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Thanks for your suggestion, but most readers will be able to work that out themselves. Unfortunately, although we have ways to automatically date things, like peoples ages, it is not very good, and relies on the page being regularly edited in order to activate the update - this leads to lots of complaints when the figure is incorrect, as the article has not been edited.  I think it is better that we do not have a figure at all, than we have a figure which will be (temporarily) wrong every anniversary, at precisely the time that more people are likely to be reading the article.  Arjayay (talk) 08:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2016
Can somebody add the Start date and age template from the current {start date|1999|04|20} to {start date and age|1999|04|20} to correspond to the Columbine High School massacre's official event date?

Since the September 11 attacks and Oklahoma City bombing articles do.

173.73.242.76 (talk) 16:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 19:19, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

"Moral Panic"
Is it really helpful to use such a loaded and pejorative term as "Moral Panic"? It seems un-encylopedic and NNPOV to me. Just read the talk page for the wiki article on Moral Panic and you can see that no one can agree what it means and most of the people involved in discussion have some POV barrel to push. Looking at the examples listed on the "Moral Panic" page, you get things like Sex Offenders ( real, and an actual problem) listed alongside silliness like "Satanic ritual abuse" and the dangers of playing Dungeons and Dragons. The term "Moral Panic" seems hopelessly confused. I would suggest someone with editng rights might replace it with a neutral term like "concern", and readers can make up their own minds whether the worries were sober and justified or "panic". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.232.236 (talk) 00:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Date
Today marks the 17 year anniversary. It needs updated… Sciencenerd3000 (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Displaying 'xx years ago' is done using a template. It shows 17 years now. Richard 08:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2017
"At 11:19 a.m., 17-year-old Rachel Scott was having dick with friend Richard Castaldo while sitting on the dick next to the west entrance of the school." < Is clearly wrong. Please fix. 83.254.181.140 (talk) 10:06, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2017
Vandalized text: "At 11:19 a.m., 17-year-old Rachel Scott was having dick with friend Richard Castaldo while sitting on the dick next to the west entrance of the school."

This page appears to have been vandalized. Please replace the first "dick" with lunch and the second "dick" with grass. It should read:

"At 11:19 a.m., 17-year-old Rachel Scott was having lunch with friend Richard Castaldo while sitting on the grass next to the west entrance of the school."

I would also suggest that this page be protected more stringently. This incident is a part of American history and vandalism desecrates the memory of those who died and were wounded.

Thanks. Cjonesva (talk) 10:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * the vandalism has already been reverted and the vandal blocked.if you think the protection should be increased, requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. Cannolis (talk) 13:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2017
Change - At 11:19 a.m., 17-year-old Rachel Scott was having dick with friend Richard Castaldo while sitting on the dick next to the west entrance of the school.

To - At 11:19 a.m., 17-year-old Rachel Scott was having lunch with friend Richard Castaldo while sitting in the grass next to the West Entrance of the school. 83.254.181.140 (talk) 10:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done see above Cannolis (talk) 13:27, 5 March 2017 (UTC)