Talk:Columbus, Georgia/Archives/2015

Segregation and Civil Rights Movement?
I don't see these important historical events discussed at all in the article

Newspapers
What constitutes "many" newspapers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.218.51.95 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 26 April 2006.


 * I don't know, but the only current daily newspaper in Columbus is the Ledger-Enqurier. There are some other newspapers in neighboring communities, such as the Bayonet in Fort Benning and the Citizen-News in Phenix City. There's also a few weekly news publications and the CSU Saber campus newspaper. -- Tantalum T  e  lluride  22:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Sports
After some thought I decide to reverted the format JaMikePA made to the Sports paragraph. No offense but, the previous format was cleaner looking and the addition of established date and championships can be debated. The Cottonmouths organization was established in 1996 has fielded teams in three different leagues. Some people may say the established should only be for their current SPHL franchise, which would be 2004. Similar for the Catfish, some might argue their established date should be when they relocated to Columbus from Albany in 2003. Two of the Cottonmouths' four championships were regular season titles. Only two were playoff championships. Any championship title is nice but all are not equal to a playoff championship. I believe it's better for the reader to click on the article link to see any club history. StrayKat99 (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Crime
The discussion on crime seems overly rosy to say the least. In 2007, Columbus set a new record for murders in one year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthteller234 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

East Columbus
Since when did East Columbus become a "rich" area of town?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthteller234 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That has been removed. Shark96z (talk) 22:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Columbus Stockade
There really should be an article about the Columbus Stockade and the folk-blues song that has been covered by so many famous artists. - Parsa (talk) 22:42, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Too many images
Having two images in the Public transit section clutters the section and, IAW WP:MOS, one of the images should be removed. I suggest the image of the Greyhound bus, so as to keep municipal-transit integrity of the section. Bullmoosebell (talk) 02:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Better images needed
The main photo and one other image ("Downtown Columbus at sunset") are horrible. If Columbus isn't as pretty as Savannah, it's still more attractive than this! The wonderful collage of photos included last year had copyright issues and had to be removed, but must they be replaced by these homely pics?

Tourism?
It seems that Columbus is trying to reshape itself, what with its artistic reformation downtown and other such things. I think there should be a section about the opera house, the factory-turned-convention-center, the Coca-Cola Space and Science Center, NerdaCon, and other tourist-oriented attractions. &mdash; Supuhstar  *   §  20:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Notable people - Wayne Brady
Does Wayne Brady fit this? "closely associated with the city of Columbus"? His article says he was born there but left as a young child. Is that a close association? I doubt it, but would like to know what others think. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 06:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't all shout at once :) DBaK (talk) 20:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Notable People - Dwight Eisenhower
Dwight D. Eisenhower was stationed at Fort Benning and coached football there in 1926. I added sourced information pertaining to this and it was removed. The Notable People Guidelines for cities make it clear that his residency in Columbus at that time qualify him inclusion on this list. If there is an issue, please bring it up there, but there is no reason to remove sourced information.Laundrybox (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops ec please see below! :) DBaK (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Notable people - Eisenhower
In line with WP:BRD this now needs discussing. 198.23.103.88 added Eisenhower on the grounds that he was at Fort Benning. I removed him on the grounds that that does not make him a notable Columbus person, and out of a further concern that if we list here every notable person who was ever at Benning, the list could overbalance the article quite severely. Since then Laundrybox has added it back in, on the grounds that "This change is well within the notable people|city guidelines." I find this difficult ... firstly I'm far from sure that he should be in the Columbus article at all, as it is about Columbus and not Benning; secondly, there is perhaps a second debate to be had about whether Fort Benning needs a notable people section, and then what its inclusion criteria should be. Perhaps fortunately this second bit's not my concern as I'm not interested in the FB article, only Columbus! Finally, I see that Laundrybox has been greatly involved in debate on this topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline so it's hardly new for them, but I'm not sure this will help! Anyway, I am off WP for a short while now so good luck with it; I'll try to look in and see what has happened here. Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 21:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've had a quick look at the guidelines that Laundrybox cites. (I'm still trying to get out of here for a while!) What strikes me as important is "any famous or notable individuals that were born, or lived for a significant amount of time, in the city." I'm not of course disputing his notability. I'm not even all that interested in whether he should be in the Fort Benning article, though maybe I should be, but it's a different point. My main concern is that he was not born here, did not live a significant time here, etc - he's a Benning person not a Columbus person. I did check some of the people here listed as military but I think that in most/all cases they really were from Columbus or lived there - so it was the city, not the base. I'm not up for a huge fight over this but I do think it's perhaps a bit less clear-cut than Laundrybox is suggesting. Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding "significant amount of time", from the guidelines talk pages 'significant' has been interpreted as any time greater than a long vacation. Lists like this often include people who have lived in towns for shorter than the year Eisenhower spent in Columbus. Being stationed at a place is considered to have lived there.Laundrybox (talk) 21:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you but (1) are you saying that Fort Benning IS Columbus? and (2) was it not you who argued "It follows that no notable military people "reside" in the town of the military base at which they are stationed. They are first and foremost connected to the base, not the town, and unless they go on make their home there post-military, they should not be mentioned." Isn't this an example of that? Best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) It's as much Columbus as any other military base is the city that formed around it. 2) I did say that as an argument that was dismissed by senior editors. I now agree with the consensus - if there is a source establishing residency in or near town, and a person is notable, then that person belongs on the list of people from said town.
 * As a great example, Ulysses S. Grant is listed as a notable person for Eureka, CA for having served at Fort Humboldt, then not a part of the city of Eureka, and similarly is listed as a notable person of Sackets Harbor, NY for having served near there.Laundrybox (talk) 22:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm moving this whole list to its own stand alone list page due to its size. I have a question about Fort Benning. All the text suggests the fort is outside of Columbus. However, Google maps shows the boarder of Columbus to end within the fort? Is there overlap or not? If so, then Eisenhower would qualify as having lived for some time in Columbus, as part of the fort falls within the city boundary. D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 03:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ft. Benning is outside of Columbus, GA--they are two separate places. Columbus is now technically all of Muscogee County and Ft. Benning does own property in Muscogee Co., but it is a very small amount of property. Most of Ft. Benning is in Chattahoochee Co., but some of it is in Alabama. More pertinent to this discussion, Columbus didn't extend to all of Muscogee Co. until they merged in 1971, after Eisenhower's death in 1969. Unless he lived in Columbus specifically (not Ft. Benning) he was not a resident of Columbus. Where is the original reference to him being a resident of Columbus, GA? Plumleaff (talk) 01:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Pumleaff, thanks for looking into this. His military chronology is the citation used to note him stationed at Ft. Benning. Your date argument would not be an issue as consensus is to backdate inclusion of geographic growth. However, I think your link about them being in separate counties does the trick, especially since the base complex is not in the same county as Columbus. Thanks for the info. D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 04:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info regarding backdate inclusion of geographic growth. I find this potentially problematic for the purposes of other situations, but it's good to know that's generally how things are done here. Thanks also for the link about Eisenhower. Plumleaff (talk) 04:51, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of things the work well in most situations but not all, which is why we try to leave as much as possible up to editors of individual pages. But, that said, trying to create conformity is a big goal as well because it makes it easier for readers to find information.  D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 05:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Notable People
I moved the list to its own stand alone list at List of people from Columbus, Georgia. I'm almost done turning it into an easily viewable table format. Kudos to whomever did the citation work on this list. I don't see many of these lists with such great citation work. If you want to know what else can be added, check out List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois. It is probably the best example of what a "Notable people from..." list should look like. Cheers, -- D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 23:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

move discussion in progress
There's a discussion about moving the Columbus disambiguation that may be of interest to editors of this page. See Talk:Columbus. older ≠ wiser 18:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)