Talk:Combichrist

Untitled
This edit is far superior to the one that you have posted. I do not mean any offense, but it is true. Please change only what you see as an 'issue' instead of reverting to a page which has little to no information about the band's past or present.

Casing of letters
It's not a big deal, but I feel it's universally known as "Combichrist" with the lower casing on christ...

Hautskin 12:04, 24 December 2006


 * I'll go ahead and move the article then. --NeoVampTrunks 00:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Classification
Upgrading to Start class. EvilCouch 10:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation
Wasn't the category name invented by combichrist 'techno body music'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.179.128 (talk) 07:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

shouldn't it be added they are industrial or EBM. Otakuloco Nov. 29, 2007


 * They're just a piece of techno crap. The music has a shit to do with Industrial. Stupid marketing scum.


 * If you would listen to early Industrial such as Throbbing Gristle and then listen to early Combichrist (Joy to the World, Line of the Dead) then you would hear the similarities, and they are not "Techno." I listen to alot styles of music from the stuff they play in porn to Hardstyle, Dubstep, Industrial, Synthpop, and of course no-wave, punk, country, etc... so I'm pretty sure I can hear the similarities between them and anyone with a trained ear can hear the industrial progression in their music as well as compare it to 1st wave (SPK, Throbbing Gristle, Monte Cazza) 2nd wave (Skinny Puppy, early Ministry, early KMFDM) and 3rd wave (KMFDM, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails). Saying "they aren't Industrial" just because you want to be a pompous troll does not discredit them enough to remove them from the classification of "industrial." Get over yourself.


 * They're not Techno? Maybe you should wash your ears. And by the way... 2nd wave? 3rd wave? You're kidding me, right? There is only Industrial music (mid-1970s to early 1980s) and Post-industrial music (Power Electronics, Dark Ambient, Ritual, from Whitehouse to Genocide Organ, from Z'ev and Zoviet France to Lustmord and Grey Wolves).


 * Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Numb... they came from Synthpop/New Romantic, not from the Industrial music scene. Images in Vogue (cEvin Key, Don Gordon), Voice (Dwayne R. Goettel), Exotic Birds (Trent Reznor), early Ministry (Al Jourgensen) etc. etc. They all came from the Synthpop/New Romantic scene and created a danceable hard electro style in the mid-/late 1980s, partially influenced by some Industrial and Post-industrial stuff (TG, SPK) - besides many other influences (e. g. Portion Control and Liaisons Dangereuses who were a kind of Electro-Punk and Proto-EBM). They never had anything to do with the traditional Industrial culture. On the other hand, the KMFDM guys came from the Punk scene. So something is wrong with your 2nd and 3rd wave. Electro-industrial, EBM, Industrial rock aren't subgenres or "waves". All these styles are crossover genres.

^This poster really needs to sign their post with time-stamps. Boo-hoo it isn't the exact sound for "industrial" you are looking for, it is still industrial, has been referred to as such and is counted as such, so your argument is invalid. If it looks like industrial, sounds like industrial, is referred to as industrial, then it must be industrial. Find sources to counter it and then you'll have a more valid argument. Fucking hipster. --Mutlee (talk) 11:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Some people should be agonized by real Industrial. Maybe their shitty brain works better after that. And, btw, never take a Manson fan seriously. They don't know what they're talking about... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.244.76.41 (talk) 23:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

O you are so amazing! That was so original! I've never heard any real industrial, I've never watched Colour Sound Oblivion or heard the Merzbox or TG24, nope, never heard it! Couldn't tell you anything about real industrial at all! ^That is sarcasm, just in case you cannot process that. --Mutlee (talk) 04:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * “It's kind of a weird situation because in the band we're all from that hardcore and metal background, so to us it feels normal. But to a lot of our fans it's weird because they consider us as purely industrial.”
 * This says your funny "Industrial" source. So the problem is just a fan problem. Stupid terrorbanana fans, i guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.23.223 (talk) 15:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

This conversation is now taking place at the bottom of the page.--Mutlee (talk) 14:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Origin: Norway
Is this true? I was under the impression that Combichrist was formed in Atlanta after LaPlegua moved there from Norway, but I could be wrong. --Delirium 02:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Combichrist army
I deleted this one line section because it seemed rather pointless. Every band had devoted fans, whether their labeled jugalows, deadheads or the kiss army having a name for your fan base is not unique. Maybe if there was some history to back up the Combichrist army it would be worth having, but really, one line that says "their fans are devoted and the band is devoted to them" does not add to the article what so ever. --209.107.121.40 04:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, 'combichrist army' is kinda a derivative brand related to combichrist... they made badges with this on it, and I've read in places about the fact that Andy used this term relating to the dedicated fans of combichrist. I mean, sure, combichrist is not unique in having fanatical fans but La Plegua *did* say things about this in various places. I'm not sure what that should mean for the article though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.179.128 (talk) 07:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Saying you have an "army" is a pretty lame way of self-promoting. Are "Combichrist" in the charts? Do they have more than a small cult of deluded sub-juggalo retards following them? No and double no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.174.24 (talk) 09:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that last comment was pretty pointlessly judgmental of a certain fanbase. Next time, you can leave your biaised opinions aside and be an objective contributor if you don't mind. 207.164.158.194 (talk) 04:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it is pretty much EBM for 13 year old Hot Topic kids. 207.81.18.140 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:34, 29 November 2011 (UTC).

Videos
I have seen and the "Fuck That Shit" on youtube and am wondering if this is an official vid or just something some kid made, either way it's a wicked animation?
 * it appears so as it's now in the list

The heading to the list says there are four videos, but there are five listed; the fifth one says it's the fourth video. 213.107.83.140 23:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with the term "censored" version in reference to Throat Full of Glass. "The American copy of the single has a censored version of the video as it was deemed too inappropriate for audiences." This was not censored by anyone. It is the 'clean' version released by the record label on it's own free will. Perhaps Metropolis feared some sort of censorship, but I have yet to see anything that shows that censoring resulted in this decision. Rivethed (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Image
Maybe Combichrist logo would fit the article better than Andy's photo? --Duke B. Garland 19:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ideally, the photo would be one featuring the full live lineup. The logo could probably serve well for the article. My only concern is that generally logos are trademarked and fair use laws get much more sticky when you begin involving trademarks. EvilCouch 02:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, i'll make sure to read WP:LOGO carefully first. i saw logo used on angelspit article and thought it could be a good idea. --Duke B. Garland 16:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Change lineup on main page
Shaun F. is no longer in the live band. Jon H. is no longer in the live band. Bjoern P. is still an intermittent live member. Kourtney K. is returning for shows starting in 2008.

Is it really necessary to put the public apology letter in his wikipedia page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.243.50.10 (talk) 22:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

More about band's name origin please
"The name Combichrist originates from a hardcore fanzine LaPlegua made during the late 90s..."

That's half of the answer I was trying to find, does anyone know why the fanzine was named Combichrist, then? Cheers. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.205.244 (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Live performance / Messing up lyrics
Should this article contain something on the live drummers which definitely alter the sound?

Also, Andy often messes up his lyrics (saw him twice and twice he did so, and also on various YouTube vids). Should this be mentioned?

Snikch (talk) 20:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Link the vids as reference (try to get more than 2, 3 or 4 should be fine) and add that he is usually drunk (there is a interview where he openly talks about his alcoholism) when singing.--Mutlee (talk) 18:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Major Revision
I know that this probably will never be up to par with becoming a Featured Article, but I'm going to do a MAJOR reworking of the page VERY soon, probably after my college finals. Anyone who will join me can leave me a line on my page or here, I'll need help with finding sources since some interviewers do not ask original questions and there are tons of duplicate interviews. --Mutlee (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've helped a bit, and will continue to do so! Also please add anything more you can to the article Throat Full of Glass seconds after creating it, it was nominated for speedy deletion. Alinblack (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Members
It should probably be noted that Combichrist is only Andy in the studio; the full band only comes out for the live shows (unless there's been some change recently I've not been made aware of). I'm not in the mood for disassembling paragraphs right now but may address this myself in the near future. Dark inchworm (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Good point, could you find some articles/interviews online confirming this? I'm lazy today....--Mutlee (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Genre
Reviews aren't reliable sources. Combichrist has a shit to do with Industrial music. It's a piece of techno crap, nothing more.

Awww, is the butt-hurt hipster too afraid to sign the page? You can see the progression of Industrial music into EBM from Throbbing Gristle (1st wave) into bands like Skinny Puppy (2nd Wave) then Rammstein (3rd wave) and now you have the club bands which are the 2nd and 3rd waves combining with techno and house music, sort of like Psychic TV. To say Combichrist has noting to do with Industrial music is a very bad misconception. They have all the elements that you would find in a Skinny Puppy song like "Worlock" or "Dig It" just at a faster pace. OOOOOO Does that upset you, can you not pull your head out of your ass to see that it is the same kind of music? Well too fucking bad you stupid hipster fag because I'm both an Industrial fan and a Combichrist fan, and I will guard this page from annoying pissants! XD Seriously though, found something where Andy says "This isn't industrial at all" or something to that effect and you can change it, but you have to cite sources. 'Ems the rulez boys and girls! --Mutlee (talk) 10:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You don't know anything, little guy. EBM is a crossover genre, not an Industrial music genre. Come back, if you know the whole history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.244.76.41 (talk) 23:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Comeback when you can register and edit appropriately rather than abusing a page. --Mutlee (talk) 04:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no need for a registration. I guess you didn't know that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.23.223 (talk) 15:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I knew that, I did the same thing when I was in elementary school and would vandalize/troll pages just like you. --Mutlee (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe you need a cold shower. Or better: Glasses. Your “source” says otherwise. You're ignoring the facts. A typical fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.14.145 (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

lulz Okies, they are categorized by everyone as EBM, Industrial, and/or Aggrotech but you seem to be the vanguard for what IS Industrial. Get over yourself. --Mutlee (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't give a shit about stupid fan categorizations.


 * Then your point is moot since you are fan of industrial music and do not care about "stupid fan categorizations."--Mutlee (talk) 14:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, more shit where he is being referred to as Industrial/EBM/Whatever:http://truecultheavymetal.com/index.php/dominion/2011/05/10/interview-andy-laplegua-combichrist AND this where they are called "Industrial Metal": http://rushonrock.com/2011/10/08/exclusive-interview-combichrist/ --Mutlee (talk) 14:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Finally, this site is called "Industrial Revolution," I have a class so I've only listened to a quarter of the interview where he talks about wanting to work with Bowie or Johnny Cash: http://theindustrialrevolution.co.uk/interview-with-andy-from-combichrist --Mutlee (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * http://truecultheavymetal.com/index.php/dominion/2011/05/10/interview-andy-laplegua-combichrist
 * “It's kind of a weird situation because in the band we're all from that hardcore and metal background, so to us it feels normal. But to a lot of our fans it's weird because they consider us as purely industrial.”


 * And now fuck off. --94.134.26.38 (talk) 13:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

94.134.26.38


 * "And now fuck off." Does not finish a debate. It never has and never will. And abuse will only serve to get you banned. Argue your point by all means, but start abusing other users and you'll be banned. And until a conclusion is reached the genre will just get reverted back EVERY time you change it. And also remember to sign your comments with 4 ~'s at the end.Alinblack (talk) 13:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * U can't ban me. There is no problem to change my IP. And btw... if you revert my edits, you'll be a part of an edit war. You can be banned too. But back to topic: a fan of electronic music should know that Combichrist is a modern electronic band with influences of Techno music. Aggrotech, Power Noise, Techno... these are the main genres. It really has a shit to do with traditional Industrial music. So stop adding Industrial music to the infobox and we can bury the hatchet. ‎89.244.71.38 (talk) 23:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't ban you. But if you continue to post abuse, you'll be banned. And instead of sorting it on the talk page as per wikipedia instructions, you're ignoring that and changing it because you personally have an issue. That is what will result in your ban. And you can change your ip all you want. But your edits will still continue to be reverted until the issue is sorted. I personally couldn't care about what you or anyone else wants to define their music as. I'd rather you sorted it like adults, rather than resorting to abuse.Alinblack (talk) 23:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Abuse is the use of stupid reviews (no reliable sources). Or the use of an interview, that clearly says, that Combichrist don't consider themselves as an Industrial music group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.244.71.38 (talk) 23:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Now that their music direction has shifted, industrial metal/rock needs adding to the sidebar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.67.249.6 (talk) 21:19, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Past Members
We need to get some sources etc. I know it is a pipe dream, but I want to try to get this to featured article status! --Mutlee (talk) 23:36, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

"Controversy" section
I removed this section about Jarius Khan's (Ad·ver·sary) lefty-crying for two reasons. (1) no evidence that its notable enouygh (2) It was inserted into the article by Audra Williams who is Khan's girlfriend. There is a clear conflict of interest. She also spammed the Nachtmahr article with her boyfriends whinging. not signed? ---

There is mention of the controversy in the 2013 book by Alexander Reed, "Assimilate", but I honestly don't know enough about the topic to provide a neutral view, let alone a balanced one, outside of this published source. I will say that I object to your aspersion of "lefty crying" as being antithetical to a reasoned discourse; now that the original accusations have been documented in an authoritative source feel free to bring forth a similarly reputable counterpoint so that the merits can be discussed -- t_kiehne (talk) 05:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Change is here. Seems whomever removed it has a clear conflict of interest. I'm here because I recently heard something about it and was looking for info. Pastel Abyss (talk) 02:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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