Talk:Combined authorities and combined county authorities

Wales
Wales isn't included in the legislation, so a South Wales authority isn't currently possible. MRSC (talk) 00:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I raised this a while back on the talk page of the contributor who added it - no response. As you state, the combined authority legislation doesn't apply to Wales. Instead Wales is (supposedly!) to have full-blown mergers of local authorities, and I suspect there has been some confusion (by the editor who added the Welsh 'proposal') between this and the developing English combined authorities (although they are different things, as a combined authority is not a merger per se). I have removed the Welsh 'proposal' - it was unreferenced anyway. Argovian (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

List of Combined Authorities
I'll leave for another to edit/improve (as I don't want to wreck), but should point out:

- Tees Valley CA now exists as of April 1

- the East Anglia and Greater Lincolnshire authorities do not yet exist and should be in the proposed section

Municipalist (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * This now appears to have been ✅ – Polly Tunnel (talk) 13:43, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The map in the existing combined authorities section wrongly shows North Somerset as part of the West of England combined authority. 78.146.219.231 (talk) 08:14, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Impact of Brexit
I understand that somewhere underpinning the combined authorities was European funding, and Brexit will end that, putting the future of the combined authorities in doubt. I admit, however, that I haven't got a clue! DrArsenal (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Nope, EU funding has been devolved from a regional to sub regional level (i.e. North West to Merseyside) but government still in control they have to bid to Westminster for permission to do what they want to do with the EU funding they had been allocated on a project by project basis. Also much less of the UK is qualifying for extra funding based on relative poverty, there is still in a wider sphere money available for skills and unemployment (training and basic skills of the unemployed) and business support (usually used as business loans and start up funding). The areas of the UK that were still eligible for the big anti-poverty pots that an area can spend on things like infrastructure in the next funding round are Inner London, Merseyside, Tees Valley & Durham, West Midlands, Leicester, Nottingham, Kingston upon Hull, Thurrock. WatcherZero (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If anything, Brexit might speed up devolution within England. Sumorsǣte (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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Difference between West Yorkshire Combined Authority and Leeds City Region
What is the difference between West Yorkshire Combined Authority and Leeds City Region. I am confused J mareeswaran (talk) 05:31, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

J mareeswaran (talk) 05:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * this is what I found in Leeds_City_Region :- "The Leeds City Region Leaders Board was legally constituted as a Joint Committee in April 2007. It brings together the elected leaders of the eleven partner authorities to take strategic decisions on behalf of the city region. The Leaders’ Board is made up of the Leaders of each of the 10 district Authorities, as well as North Yorkshire County Council."
 * City Region is a partnership arrangement between authorities. A Combined Authority is a devolved institution where powers for specific things are passed down from central government. There may be overlap in people, and entities involved, but they are distinct legal principles. Koncorde (talk) 13:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

North of Tyne Vs North East
The map didn't distinguish these two properly, and implies that there is one single CA covering the whole of the metropolitan County of Tyneside, Northumberland and County Durham.

There needs to be s thick black line running along the River Tyne and continuing asking the Northumberland/Co. Durham border.

 L.J.Skinner wot 09:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Combined Authorities
I have expanded/updated the section on proposed CAs. I've updated some developments of current proposals, and moved the "failed" proposals into a similar table. It is difficult to find references for some of these however, and distinguishing between dormant proposals and "failed" ones can be difficult - One Yorkshire for example has been rejected by the govt, but still has support from some councils. I've left it in the failed table for now but it could be one to keep an eye on. Some of the phrasing may be jumbled so I welcome editing there, and semi-regular edits will be needed to ensure that it remains up to date.--BryceIII (talk) 19:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Reads well now. --Wire723 (talk) 08:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The Local Government Chronicle has published a fairly exhaustive list of proposed deals, and what's happening by county. This will be a vital source in updating the list of proposals, but may be appropriate to change from the current format to a county-by-county list? I suggest doing a single list rather than having a separate "unimplemented proposals" box, but using info already collated--BryceIII (talk) 08:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Broken sortable Combined Authorities table
When the table is sorted, for example by population, the table breaks and all the rows for each Local Authority unravel. The issue is caused by incorrect use of the rowspan parameter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark63424 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * FollowTheTortoise (talk) 12:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Powers section
The section should list the three levels of powers that can be offered to combined authorities depending on whether certain criteria are met.

Level three deals require the adoption of a mayor – either as directly-elected leader of a county council, or as chair of a combined authority – but offer the most expansive powers, including the ability to absorb the functions of Local Enterprise Partnerships and – where the geography aligns – of the Police and Crime Commissioner. All six deals announced in 2022 are at level three of the devolution framework. The East Midlands deal will create the first CCA; the York and North Yorkshire and North East deals will create new MCAs; and the Norfolk, Suffolk and Cornwall deals will involve a directly-elected council leader. Level two deals can be concluded with county councils or combined authorities that are not led by a directly-elected mayor. They offer fewer powers – notably not including control of transport spending or a long-term investment fund. Level one deals are far more limited, offering only a limited “strategic role in delivering services”. No level two or level one deals have yet been concluded. ChefBear01 (talk) 14:05, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

CCA membership
@User:A.D.Hope I note that you reverted my change to state that only county-councils and unitary authorities may be constituent members of a combined county authority; this is actually supported in the citation of the Local Government Lawyer source, namely: "Constituent councils are those which have been part of the group of county councils/upper tier councils who have made the proposal for a Combined County Authorities to the Secretary of State. Members appointed by constituent councils are voting members of the Combined County Authority. Non-constituent members are individual members of the Combined County Authorities who are nominated as members by a body designated by the Combined County Authorities. Non-constituent members are non-voting unless the voting members resolve otherwise. [...] There are provisions within the LURB through which district and borough councils can be represented on the Board of a Combined County Authorities." The article does go on to say that DLUC doesn't favour having all districts represented on a CCA board via non-constituent or associate membership, and that it has the power to make regulations to that effect. But such regulations haven't, as far as I'm aware, been made and therefore it would be possible for district councils to be (or rather, designate) members (but not constituent members) of a CCA, if one is created before regulations limiting that option are made.

This is something that should probably be set out further in the body of the article, but I think including the word "constituent" in the lede is appropriate.

Alternatively, we could avoid the word "member(s(hip))" altogether; technically CCs and UAs aren't "members" of a CCA (and local authorities aren't "members" of a CA), they are "constituent councils" who appoint members of the C(C)A. This is also supported by the article quoted above.

Thoughts? M2Ys4U ( talk ) 21:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * So, just to unpick the jargon:
 * Combined county authorities are formed by upper-tier authorities
 * Those authorities appoint constituent members to the CCA. These members can vote.
 * The CCA can give another body permission to nominate non-constituent members to the CCA. These members are by default non-voting.
 * The CCA can also appoint associate members, who are by default non-voting.
 * To keep things simple for the lead, perhaps the wording should be:
 * A combined county authority (CCA) is similar, but may only be formed by upper-tier authorities – county councils and unitary authorities. The members of the CCA are appointed by its constituent councils. In addition, the CCA may appoint additional members and allow another body to nominate members; these members are non-voting unless decided otherwise.
 * A.D.Hope (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added the above to the article, but I'm still happy to discuss the exact wording. A.D.Hope (talk) A.D.Hope (talk) 15:05, 11 February 2024 (UTC)