Talk:Comic Book Resources/Archive 1

Should not be deleted
There are numerous reason why this article should not be deleted. This first is the impact the website and websites like it has had on mass media and culture. Second the website represents a subsect of culture. Finally this is an opening to a new type of articles that need to start sometime and somewhere, and should not be dictated by the whims of what network news deems important such as Anna Nicole Smith.

First mass media has an impact on culture. We can see this by the awareness brought about by movies such as Blood Diamond and the like. Therefore anything that has an effect on mass media as a dirrect link to mainstream culture. This website and those like it have had this effect, most notably in comic book movies. We just need to look at the box office sales of comic book movies to see what kind of role comic book movies has in the film department. The dirrectors, writers and actors all participate in the forums of this particular website as well as sit down for interveiws. Therefore this website and sites like it participate in the cultural shift in the world.

Next, this website is where an entire subsect of cutlure converges to talk about one of their favorite subjects. This should be a recorded and treated as valid like any other culture would be. Who is to say this is important or not? I would present other cultures deemed inconsequental and thus expendable, such as native americans. No one has the right to say this is not important.

Finally, if Anna Nicole Smith gets a web page, then why not this site? Just because mass media dictates that Anna Nicole Smith is newsworthy, does not make it so. Don't allow this to happen where mass media automatically dictates what is, and what is not important. It should be the other way around as explained in my first argument. We should, as on these sites, dictate what is, and what is not important. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Acecool79 (talk • contribs).


 * WP:ININ. Leuko 23:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, as it happens I strongly think this page should be kept and expanded, but I'll mention two things for you Acecool79: 1) Arguments made here on the talk page will most likely have no influence on the deletion debate.  The closing administrator will likely only look at the arguments on the article for deletion entry for this article.  2) Again, I happen to think it should be kept, but I'll mention that for the most part your arguments above may have little or no bearing on the decision.  You ask "Who is to say this is important or not?" and the answer, in this case, is WP:WEB, the wikipedia guidelines for notability for websites.  Also I'll mention that arguments like "if Anna Nicole Smith gets a web page, then why not this site?" don't generally mean very much, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.


 * I think the page should be kept, and I strongly encourage you or anyone else to give their opinion on the AfD debate...but realistically this article is in bad shape and needs to be improved to make it wiki-worthy. The deletion nomination (in my opinion) was in good faith and had some justification, based on the state of the article when it was nominated.  Improve the article please, don't argue a philosophy of what the article might possibly be. -Markeer 13:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm, that's what I was trying to say. The editor making the comments above did not sign. Leuko 15:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, fixed -Markeer 15:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

comic book idol
The site holds this kind of contest to discover aspiring comic book artists. Some of them are already working in the industry. I think it is notable to add this (dang, i was one of the unlucky who didnt make the cut) †B lo o d p ac k†  04:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes I think it is worth a mention - if we can get enough reliable sources together then it could warrant a smallish section.


 * Sorry to hear you didn't win - if you don't mind me asking which was your entry? (Emperor 19:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC))


 * I should have done a bit of digging before asking - good stuff. (Emperor 20:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC))

here are some of the past contestants who successfully landed a job in the comic book industry through the CBI contest       †B lo o d p ac k†  04:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - I've now added the information, I am sure there is more but that is a solid start. (Emperor (talk) 22:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC))
 * thanks too emp, im kinda lazy to do it =] anyways, i made some additions †B lo o d p ac k†  07:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: nomination withdrawn. Further discussion may be required at Talk:Salon.com and/or Talk:TMZ.com, but it's clear there is no consensus to move this article. (non-admin closure) Jenks24 (talk) 20:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Comic Book Resources → ComicBookResources.com – I can certainly see the point in not having .com when there's a print analog to a website. In this case, I believe titling this article "Comic Book Resources" gives a misimpression that it exists as a print publication and not solely as a website. I'd use the longstanding Salon.com or TMZ.com as example, since they could have been disambiguated as "Salon (website)" or "TMZ (website)" or similar. Not using ".com" in the title as an indicator seems unintentionally misleading. Removing the .com also seems to suggest there is something wrong or inferior about being a web-only publication, when this is simply factual and neutral. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Additionally, in terms of common usage, aside from seeing the full name with in book footnotes, I noticed last night reading Avengers Academy #25 (April 2012) that a house ad on page 20 of the issue contains blurbs attributed to ComicsBulletin.com, Comicvine.com, and iFanboy.com, among similar others, while the Daredevil house ad opposite in on page 21 has ComicBookResources.com. Notably, the ads also make a distinction with print publications, citing USA Today and Complex. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Following Tenebrae's reasoning. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Is Comic Book Resources not the common name of the website?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I looked through the inline references, and both the Eagle Awards and the University of Buffalo use "Comic Book Resources". I'd also strongly disagree about it being misleading, or suggesting web-only stuff is inferior - where did you get that from? Cross porpoises (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Tenebrae is not suggesting that at all, he stated that the act of removing the ".com" makes web-only stuff seem inferior. Still I suggest using whatever the common name of the website is.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I just spent a fair amount of time looking over a BUNCH of pages, both policy pagess, and article examples. First, I can't find ANY guideline which says that using *.com is the suggested guidance. And in lack of that, we should go with "common practice". And I don't see it in common practice either. Facebook, Hotmail, Google, Internet Movie Database, etc. Best as I can tell, the .com suffix should ONLY be used as a disambiguation. Which would explain why it's used at Salon and TMZ. Not seeing any need for disambiguation here, I must oppose. - jc37 19:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per my comments elsewhere, TMZ, Salon, and Amazon require disambiguation, Comics Bulletin does not. See also the websites cited by jc37. The evidence of Category:News websites, Category:Entertainment websites, and Category:American online magazines is that the domain suffix is very rarely used, and even then mostly for disambiguation. --DeLarge (talk) 22:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:COMMONNAME is a fair point, and I'm willing to withdraw the request, though we should probably keep it up for a week since there may be additional, third views we haven't brought up. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose -
 * It requires no disambiguation
 * The site's banner reads "Comic Book Resources", not "ComicBookResources.com"
 * The copyright notice on the page reads "© 1995-2011 Comic Book Resources. All Rights Reserved."
 * What is the actual point in this? On the article page, CBR is introduced as "ComicBookResources.com", and that's the name used for the infobox, too, and later in the article.  Why?  I can't see any reason why all those "ComicBookResource.com"'s shouldn't be changed immediately to "Comic Book Resources", myself.  In the case of Amazon, the ".com" is actually part of the name (and in the logo), so it's not even a matter of disambiguation there---that's the actual name of the company.  That's not the case with CBR.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 23:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. While the name of some websites seem to include the ".com", some do not. As Curly Turkey notes above, CBR seems to be called Comic Book Resources. ".com" is simply the necessary domain suffix. Nightscream (talk) 00:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Looking at COMMONNAME, it seems that we should aim for naturalness and conciseness. A comparision may be made with the usage of a full corporate name.  For example, the Wikipedia article for Time Warner Inc. is called "Time Warner".  Terms such as "Inc.", "Corp.", and "Ltd." are usually not used in article titles.  The ".com" suffix is so ubiquitous now, that including it in the article title is unnecessary.  I cede the point to Tenebrae in regards to "Amazon.com" and "Salon.com", but except where the ".com" is needed for disambiguation, it should not be included.  Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Withdrawing proposal From the discussion here and at Talk:Comics Bulletin, it seems WP:SNOWBALL at this point, so while protocol is to wait seven days, I'm happy to withdraw my proposal, provided we have some consistency. If the name is Comic Book Resources and not ComicBookResources.com, then the names are Salon and TMZ. We don't need ".com" to disambiguate; Salon (website) and TMZ (website) disambiguate without changing the names. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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Requested move 27 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Comic Book Resources → CBR (website) – The site is no longer Comic Book Resources, as mentioned in their own about us page. In fact, the name CBR has been in common use [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Cbr0.jpg as early as 2008. Maybe even earlier]. This is a situation similar to MTV (no longer Music Television) and IGN (no longer Imagine Games Network). Kailash29792 (talk)  06:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  Steel1943  (talk) 14:11, 4 August 2019 (UTC)  --Relisting.  Steel1943  (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - uncontroversial Argento Surfer (talk) 13:09, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:NATURAL. The site still uses the former name on social media, for example  and .   Calidum   18:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Even then, CBR is the more common name. You do not see "Comic Book Resources" in the logo on any of the social media sites, do you? -- Kailash29792 (talk)  06:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Unless you're proposing moving this to CBR, it doesn't matter which name is used more. Natural disambiguation is preferred to paranthetical.  Calidum   13:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Leaning oppose, per Calidum's argument. In addition to being used on official social media, the old name is also used in some recent secondary coverage (example - "former owner of Comic Book Resources - now better known as CBR"). I'm thinking the benefit of natural disambiguation outweighs the loss in recognizability. But it's not a clear-cut case. Colin M (talk) 01:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Support CBR.com The site's name is CBR.com, not CBR, and not Comic Book Resources. The most authoritative evidence is the logo on the site itself. Its Facebook page provides unclear, mixed information: The text title says Comic Book Resources, but the logo says CBR. Hardly clear-cut. (For all I know, maybe it's because the person in charge of the Facebook page doesn't know how to change the name, or just neglected to do so.) As for Colin's example, it would seem to support changing it: "....now better known as CBR" is pretty explicit as to what the name of the site is. How Colin sees this as evidence of the opposite, I don't know, but the bottom line for me is that what's on the website is the primary information, and therefore, the most authoritative. Btw, has anyone thought to ASK the website? Nightscream (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I was not trying to argue that Comic Book Resources is the WP:COMMONNAME. I'm saying that natural disambiguation is generally preferred over parenthetical disambiguation, and a name other than the #1 most commonly used name may be preferred if it avoids parenthetical disambiguation and is at least somewhat commonly used (e.g. Playing card suit rather than Suit (cards), Brandy Norwood rather than Brandy (singer)). The example I quoted was merely intended to show that "Comic Book Resources" continues to be used in recent publications, and so is a reasonable candidate for natural disambiguation. Colin M (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Those third-party sources cannot be considered gospel; they may simply be thinking CBR still stands for Comic Book Resources. Well it appears they dropped the expansion after starting to cover other news as well. You don't say Music Television do you? Or Imagine Games Network, or United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization? Anyway, the social media sites of CBR using "Comic Book Resources" cannot be used to triumph over the official website saying the expansion has been dropped because, social media accounts of such sites aren't entirely reliable, and there is obvious lack of communication between the departments. Kailash29792 (talk)  04:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't say Music Television, but nor do I say Federal Bureau of Investigation. WP:SOCIALMEDIA says Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves. An organization's own name would seem to fall under that umbrella. Anyways, I don't see any useful distinction here between official website and official social media that would make one automatically more reliable than the other. Colin M (talk) 17:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)


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Reverting article title move from "CBR (website)" to "Comic Book Resources"
CBR (website) --> Comic Book Resources – Reopening this discussion. Previous discussions landed on "no consensus to change" the article title but it was changed recently, so I'm opening this up for the change to be reverted. The speculation on the official brand name focuses on a technical naming convention that shortens the brand name into an acronym. Comic Book Resources is the official title of the online website which is shortened to CBR for logo purposes and website aesthetics (similar to Facebook and their “F” or LinkedIn and their “in”). Other than social medias with character and URL restrictions, “Comic Book Resources” is used on their LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram pages, as well as their forums. The website's official About Us page confirms this in the title and body. Additionally, CBR is ambiguous in the comics category since it's also a file extension for comics. The '(website)' disambiguation is not enough since there are many other websites that use this as an abbreviation, which can be found with a quick Google search. With these facts I petition that the Wikipedia page name should reflect their full brand name and be reverted back to Comic Book Resources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Juilletchou (talk • contribs) PAGE ]]) 16:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the proper place to continue discussion; however, to get the move to be reverted, you should post to WP:RM/TR. Remember that consensus can change, though.  -2pou (talk) 17:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have moved the page back to Comic Book Resources., given that the discussion that closed with no consensus to move was less than a year ago, and it is clearly not an uncontroversial move, please open a move request before moving the page in the future. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK