Talk:Comic Relief/Archive 1

Australia
Has the "Comic Relief is coming to Australia in November 2005!" section come straight from a press release? It certainly reads like it. Teflon 21:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Exactly what I came to this talk page to ask. After a quick hunt around the web, I am going to be bold and update. --Telsa 11:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Inclusion of The Apprentice template
Regarding the repeated inclusion of template by User:Dalejenkins - I see no good reason for that template to be included in this page. The template should be about connecting articles directly related with The Apprentice UK - of which Comic Relief is not. This article is about Comic Relief as a charity organisation. The role of the Apprentice in that has only been one special edition show in 2007. Imagine if every TV programme, which had ever made a Comic Relief special, were to include Comic Relief somewhere on their template - this article would be unusable! Let's not start a precedent... └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 09:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Borat Complaints
"The 2007 event also caused massive controversy when Borat (played by Jewish actor Sascha Baron Cohen made a joke about buying "three chocolate boys". Many thousands of complaints were recorded within minutes of the airing. The BBC are expected to make a press release on Saturday the 17th of March stating that they will seek legal action against Cohen and his production team, as well as supporting a ban on him appearing on BBC shows for the next five years."

There is no way this can be known already; the event in question happened less than 12 hours before the time of posting. I am removing until confirmation is supplied. Hippopotaman 07:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Terminology
The "Red Nose Day" section includes this sentence: "The TV programming begins in the afternoon, with Children's BBC having various related reports, money-raising events and a celebrity gungeing."

I don't believe I've ever encountered the word "gungeing" before. This may be because I live in the United States. For the benefit of us non-Britons, can some sort of explanation be provided? Thanks. -- Pat Berry 22:15, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Dropping some form of (usually brightly-coloured) "gunge" onto a person, often as a forfeit or for just slapstick laughs. Sometimes it involves the person going into a booth whereby the gunge is then dropped on them from above. It's mainly for the kids. violet/riga (t) 23:35, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify what 'gunge' means in this context. It is a form of viscous liguid designed to look and, presumably, feel unpleasant. A rough, US-friendly analogy might be 'slime', although for Brits the word conjures up a very specific consistency and look. Hippopotaman 08:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

poor phrasing
"It featured Sting, in which he is taking part with a celebrity and non-entity television show, swapping wives with the vicar's husband Harry." - this sentence does not appear to be pellucidly clearly phrased. -- 82.181.254.50 16:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed Claim
I removed this claim : It has also been criticised on how the show makes the donation money. Some people refuse to donate at all because of the amount of money spent on organising the event itself. AS it is misleading and untrue, see http://www.rednoseday.com/faqs/#comicrelief —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.142.83.4 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 17 March 2007
 * wait, you deleted that? i thought that was true. in fact, people keep mentioning that to me when somebody brings it up. i think its a common opinion that it should at least stay for debate. --A Person With A Listening Problem 21:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

PAGE MOVED per reasonable, unopposed request. -GTBacchus(talk) 08:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC) This page was recently moved from Comic Relief, on the highly unlikely grounds that someone searching for the term "comic relief" might enter the second word capitalized. The redirect was then changed to point to the term "comic relief" so a non-admin move to revert the change is not possible. I formally propose that it be moved back, subject to consensus. Please discuss. --Tony Sidaway 20:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
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Harry Potter?
Should there be some mention of the books J.K. Rowling wrote for Comic Relief? If memory serves, the profits made through the sale of Quiddditch Through the Ages and Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them will go towards Comic Relief. Micahbrwn 04:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's right. She mentions this in the foreword. Worth a mention? Singyouranthem (talk) 15:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

unrelated point?
In the section on 2001 events, it is said "Jack Dee won Celebrity Big Brother. This is the only day on record nobody committed suicide in the UK between 1993 and 2002." How is the latter sentence relevant to Comic Relief per se? It seems like an out-of-place fact. Singyouranthem (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

'Car' noses only in New Zealand?
The text
 * "Red Nose Day was also copied in other countries. One of note was New Zealand, which actually introduced a brief fad in 1990 of selling over-sized red-noses for car grilles for charity."

implies that these 'car' noses were only available in NZ. This isn't true - we had them in the UK too. 93.96.93.12 (talk) 10:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Lenny Henry
In the 2003 ost section it says Lenny Henry (legend) next to it. Why is the word legend there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missydreamchic (talk • contribs) 16:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like an unnecessary contribution - I've removed it.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 16:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Ratings
More ratings information is needed througout this entire article and subsections. Also more information and individual pages for Comic Relief prior to 2007 (at least (2005-2003-2001) which are the most current and most easily availiable to get information for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)  we ask the internet these qestions and nothing comes up !!!
 * BARB --  [[ axg  ⁞⁞  talk   ]] 19:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

When comicrelief.com "The TV audience peaked at 12.7million viewers and a 52% audience share peak for Comic Relief: Funny for Money on Friday 13 March " —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Additional funding for 2009?
The final Celebrity Big Brother in 2010 will be donating money to the Comic Relief fund and this should be noted when offical numbers are release. Also the 2009 edition thus far has raised over 80 million pounds as of 1/29/10.--Cooly123 17:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

99 balloons of some sort or another
Which version of the song is Nena famous for - the German ("99 Luftballons") or the English ("99 Red Balloons")? In the English speaking world, I'd think the latter. But somebody just changed it to "99 Luftballoons, or 'Hot Air Balloons" [sic].

Typing "luftballoons" into Google Translate gives "air balloons", but that might be just because it recognises the root "luft" as "air" and leaves "balloons", which isn't a German word, as it is. The correct spelling "luftballons" becomes just "balloons". Moreover, the article on the song explains that a Luftballon is a toy balloon, not a hot air balloon, and the opening English lyrics ("You and I in a little toy shop buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got") makes it obvious. -- — Smjg (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Gender equality?
The criticism section contains some information on the "lack of gender equality in the causes supported by Comic Relief" pointed out by a writer in the Spectator. I don't believe that this section adds any value to the article, on the contrary, it diminishes its quality by adding extremely irrelevant and sectarious data. Is the author of such article expecting Comic Relief or any other charity to provide funds to charities that support groups of male people discriminated or living in worse conditions than their female counterparts? I understand that this is the only way in which the donation could be considered equal in gender terms. However, those male-focused charities do not exist because there has not been ever a report of social groups in which males are discriminated on gender basis. The fact that we only know of organizations supporting female causes says much about how serious the situation is.

I believe that it is a poor statement from a very questionable source and there is no reason to include it in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.62.109.57 (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

2011 Page - Article split requested
I believe its time for the 2011 appeal to have its own page, with the website being continuously updated.--Cooly123 17:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * With this do we want one for the dedicated night or for the overall 2011 campaign as there has been quite a lot going on this year to report Madscotinengland (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If it was split off, it would be for The Whole Thing. – anemone projectors – 22:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Red Nose Day 2011 page set up - please do make any amendments as necessary. Madscotinengland (talk) 12:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Who does it aid?
Its strange that for this long an article, it doesnt state in a clear way who is it supposed to help and what difference it has made so far to the lives of its beneficiaries. Anyone? Varun (talk) 12:24, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Date of Broadcast: 1985, 1986, or 1988?
This article states that Comic Relief started in 1985 with a point of reference to its accounting starting in 2006 but no point of reference as to the date it was first aired on BBC.

According to IMDb, UK's Comic Relief started on April 25, 1986, around the time the first single was released. Same information from TV Rage.

According to TV.com, the broadcast starts in 1988 when Red Nose Day began.

What I'm looking for is the actual date it was first broadcast on TV as a yearly event.

The 1985 launching maybe just an interview or to introduce to the people about the charity event.

1986 and 1987 were only listed in this article as the time the singles were released. The event itself may have not been seen on TV or only clippings were shown.

If anyone is to find information about the broadcast dates, please include references. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ Reyes (talk • contribs) 16:24, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Again: who benefits?
As the first entry here still remains unanswered, i have to second User:Varungarde – exactly where goes the money, who decides where, and how much of the income is contributed anyway?

"Red Nose" is a big event, likely so is the business – just by merchandising, like red noses and stuff. It's not far out, to say the main goal of those donation-events is image cultivating, and it's common procedure, the income is used to pay the "charges" first. "Collection" and "benefit" are some whole different things. Given the hype created round this event, there should be a look at the outcome, too.

Aint there no records, fiscal accounting? Seems hard to find sources anyway, this is "not for public" or whatever?

I think this is way more important than critics about gender stuff, or Borat's outbursts. Such a long article, high-imprtance, yet it doesn't have a single word on this essential qeustion.

--87.168.75.235 (talk) 09:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is quite incredible that this is an article about a charitable event, but contains so little about what is spent where, how much is costs to fundraise, all the normal stuff you'd expect to see about any other charity. (82.11.147.229 (talk) 13:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)).


 * Perhaps less on Red Nose day - there are child articles for each of those and the television presenter lists and more on what the charity has received, and the where it goes to eg % distribution to UK/Africa or types of projects supported. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Quite, "this article is about the British charity" is a poor disambiguation since the article is de facto about the historical minutiae of Red Nose Day. Kmitch87 (talk) 00:29, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Early Shows
Can we updare information on the shows in the 1980's in particular. There is a video of various celebrities performing Queen's Bohemian Rapsidy. --Cooly123 00:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

According to the list of presenters, nobody presented it before 2003 - that can't be right?217.113.170.97 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Original Stage Shows
The first couple of major Comic Relief events were stage shows (at the Shaftsbury Theatre, London in 1986) in the vein of the Secret Policemen's Ball. Yet there is no mention of these in the article. This seems to be a serious omission. Can someone shed some light on these? Mrstonky (talk) 01:16, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Presenters
What is the significance of the bold links under Presenters?Brenont (talk) 00:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

2014 Event
From what I understand Red Nose Day not held between the 21st and 23rd March 2014, I think this is being confused with Sport Relief that is a separate organisation with a separate page. I assume, therefore, that this ought to be removed?Matthewm192 (talk) 17:47, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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The dateline in the article reads in an inconsistent manner
''The first Red Nose Day (RND) was held on 5 February 1988, when it was launched as a National Day of Comedy. It was held again the following year and thereafter every other year since then.''

Later on the same page: Inspired by the British charity, a United States Comic Relief charity was founded in 1986  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.105.178.130 (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Secret Policeman's Ball - Dubious Information
None of the material I have on Comic Relief from its beginnings in the mid-1980s cite "The Secret Policeman's Ball" as its inspiration. Indeed, mention is made in several of the articles I have on Comic Relief in its early years of the Band Aid and Live Aid efforts of 1984/1985. I feel that it is unjustified to cite "The Secret Policeman's Ball as an inspiration for Comic Relief, particularly as the ONLY inspiration. If evidence can be found that this is the case - and the original Comic Relief founders are all agreed on this, then fine. Otherwise such information - which has appeared since I last visited this page - should not be included. Reliable citations please! I have removed this information as it has no citations and seems to disagree absolutely with early material on Comic Relief —Preceding unsigned comment added by Solidsandie (talk • contribs) 00:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The initial 1986 Comic Relief event at the Shaftesbury Theatre (link to poster promoting audio recording) bore significant similarities to the Secret Policeman's Ball (i.e. a stage review featuring many of the same alternative comedians & musicians); therefore it's no surprise the comparison was made. However, as you correctly state, any causal link must be proven and this has not been done. Mrstonky (talk) 01:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

The Origins of Comic Relief
Despite more formal and later claims, Comic Relief was actually created by accident on Sunday January 23rd 1985. On that day an event took place at the London Palladium that was to provide the inspiration and basis for Comic Relief or Red Nose Day as it is now popularly known. The event was called Farmyard Follies and was a fund raising event created by Griff Rhys Jones and Stuart Fenwick, then of LWT. It was an idea that Griff and his colleagues at Talkback created with Stuart to raise money for a charity, Home Farm Trust, of which Stuart was a Trustee and Griff, through his comedy partner, Mel Smith, had helped in fund raising efforts previously. The idea might never have got off the ground without the involvement of Jane Tewson who headed up a new organisation called Charity Projects. This was funded by Tim Bell (later Sir Tim) and set up to help charities put on professional events and raise money; this was their first project. Griff took charge of the production and Stuart, bums-on-seats and sponsorship. The event, which featured Griff, Mell, Peter Cook and many other acts, including the cast of Guys and Dolls on in the West End, also included a film made by Griff and Stuart about the work of HFT which was shown in the middle of the evening, an unknown concept in those days which, unlikely as it may seem, tended to keep the 'business end' of the event away from the audience. HRH Princess Anne (HFT's Royal Patron), together with her then husband Captain Mark Phillips, were in the Royal box and the whole evening was a great success raising £32,000 for HFT and £8,000 for Charity Projects. Not an insignificant amount in those days. Shortly after the event a debriefing took place at Talkback's offices in Soho when Jane declared that "Well that was so successful that we're never going to do that again, at least not like that." "It was too good an idea to devote to one charity so we are now going to develop it into something much bigger, involving television and supporting a whole host of charities", thus Comic Relief was born. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bramwell47 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 29 January 2017 (UTC)


 * If you are suggesting changes to the article, it needs references to published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Any new citations...
Does anyone have any pieces of proof in the Comic Relief page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.10.136.115 (talk) 11:43, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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Red Nose Day in Australia
Hi all,

I don't often edit on Wikipedia, but was a little confused when I looked up Red Nose Day on Wikipedia and it just redirect to Comic Relief and gave details about Red Nose Day in the UK. It gives the impression that Red Nose Day is only a British thing. I'm Australian and remember celebrating Red Nose Day as far back as 1991.

I think it would be appropriate to at least mention that Red Nose Day is a thing outside the UK, or potentially give Red Nose Day its own page, or perhaps a page for Australia's Red Nose Day.

Just to add- In Australia, Red Nose Day raises money for SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) https://rednose.com.au/section/about-us — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.91.186.49 (talk) 00:42, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

The sum total
The sum total claimed 111 billion pounds raised. This is clearly wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.3.231 (talk) 19:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Charity singles
This should have it's own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterJohnPiper (talk • contribs) 04:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The Stonk was a double A side with Victoria Wood's "The Smile Song" - this needs to be included Distant Cousin (talk) 17:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the highest selling charity singles - the page says it is "Is This the Way to Amarillo" with 1.28 million copies sold by Tom Christie featuring Peter Kay. But upon examining the certifications of "One Way or Another (Teenage Kicks)" by One Direction, certifications alone as listed on the song's own Wikipedia page put the One Direction single at (a rounded) 1.3 million copies sold. The citation puts "Is this the Way to Amarillo" at number one in the article but I am unsure how to consider the citation/mathematics discrepancy.99.199.7.228 (talk) 00:26, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Directy Showing The Charity Number and Links To Accounts On The Charity Commission page
Add the charity number directly in the article for easy reference.

who established it as the operating name of Charity Projects, a registered charity in England[6]charity number:326568 and Scotland.[7] Scotland the same..

I would like to see a direct reference in the article to the charity commission incomes per year. https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/326568/accounts-and-annual-returns — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.29.7 (talk) 10:24, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

How Many Presenters Per Year On TV or Radio
I think it would be very useful to to say how many celebrities where shown on TV or Radio for that year? It will be quite HUGE, and most of them millionaires.

How many of presenters claimed a salary on each year? How many people in the production of the TV claimed a salary How many volunteers on TV production day donated their time for free?

Always wondered if they all contributed a large sum, how much the final figure would be?

''Hey billionaire give a millionaire on what you earnt this year? Millionaire give more than squid or squirt of your time Show that juicy lettuce you earn with those vinger tears, while doing publicity of make-up, made up! If you say, time, hey how many would swap places for the rare air of time on TV or radio But, others volunteer in rain, snow and wind, MADE WITH HEART.''

''You from the TV or radio seat, make up, made up! Lettuce NOT sauce from your ego of Celery ME!!! Made-up and Make-UP - YOU'' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.29.7 (talk) 10:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Article name in italics
I would like to know why the name of this article is italicized and when I read the rest of the article, its name is not italicized anywhere. Should the name of the article be fixed in normal letters or what? Alexismata7 (talk) 16:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

1997 hosts
It says under 1997 event that "The telethon was hosted by Father Ted Crilly (Dermot Morgan) and Father Dougal McGuire (Ardal O'Hanlon), characters from the sitcom Father Ted". This would to me imply that they hosted the whole show, but I think that it was just part of the programme that they presented. Someone might want to check this if they can. Dunarc (talk) 22:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)