Talk:Commercial Orbital Transportation Services

Acronym
I suspect that the COTS acronym is also an allusion by NASA to Commercial off-the-shelf, but does anybody have anything which actually confirms this is intentional? --NeuronExMachina 22:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. Sometimes an acronym is just an acronym. Belchja 22:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

i think it was a deliberate refernce to Commercial off the shelf, which is sad, because the two winners were not off the shelf,  and will never be commercial. --71.63.26.246 (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, should the title of this article be capitalized as Commercial Orbital Transportation Services? --NeuronExMachina 22:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Should there be a "disambiguation" thing so that if someone searches for COTS they can find this instead of only Commercial off-the-shelf? (I hope this is the place to post this sort of question!)
 * Good question! And the answer is, "Yes." If a user searches for "COTS", we hope they find the COTS page, which already exists as a disambiguation page listing these two articles, and several other meanings. I suppose it is possible that a user might reach the "Commercial Orbital Transportation Services" page by some other means than a wikipedia search. Mentioning the confusion between these two meanings somewhere in the article might be appropriate. Alternately, using: right at the top might be OK too. (sdsds - talk) 04:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Company proposals
I'm intending to format the list of companies and spacecraft as a table once a few more entries come in. ShimaKatase 08:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Any foreign bid ? Hektor 06:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * MDA, a Canadian firm with an expertise in space robotics, partnered with SpaceX Kavanagh 8 June 2006

re-read AbouIlyass
Abouilyass gives proofs that this comment is totally wrong so keeping it might make the reader confused —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.6.228.77 (talk) 21:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Links
Recently quite a bit of action has occurred in this area. NASA issued default notices to a contract winner, The defaulter's management team has quit, the defaulter has filed 2 separate protests, and NASA has issued a round of new proposals,  it would be nice if wikipedia would allow these actions to be linked to, as it would provide useful context to anyone interested.

There is some history and information regarding the termination of the Rocketplane Kistler COTS SAA in some of the related wiki pages: Sorry, I don't have any interest in recreating the information here in a discussion of yet another COTS thread. --98.196.103.197 (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rocketplane Limited, Inc.
 * K-1 launch vehicle
 * Commercial Orbital Transportation Services

Relationship between COTS and Project Constellation
What Wikipedia article would best discuss the relationship between Commercial Orbital Transportation Services and NASA's Project Constellation? N2e (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Rounds ?
Hi there, I don't understand that story of "rounds" that can be found in the article - I've read a lot on the COTS program and I've never seen that word anywhere else. Can someone explain me what they are ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.91.30.83 (talk) 20:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

CRS Missions
Seeing as right now there isn't really anywhere to put this information so I'll just leave it here. Info is from FPWG released on March 3rd. All listed missions are scheduled to be berthed to Harmony nadir and most are expected to remain there for 30 days. All the dates listed will probably slip. List is probably very preliminary because there's some scheduling conflicts present.

SpaceX
SpX-1 (first SpaceX CRS mission)
 * Launch date: 2012-08-18
 * Internal Cargo: 1268 kg, specific payloads are unknown
 * External Cargo: None

SpX-2 
 * Launch date: 2012-12-15
 * Internal Cargo: 1268 kg, specific payloads are unknown
 * External Cargo: HRSGF

SpX-3 
 * Launch date: 2013-07-18
 * Internal Cargo: Unknown
 * External Cargo: High Definition Earth Viewing (HDEV) payload, Optical Payload for Lasercomm Science (OPALS), Nitrous Oxide Fuel Blend (NOFBX) experiment (source)

SpX-4 
 * Launch date: 2013-10-07
 * Internal Cargo: Unknown
 * External Cargo: Unknown

Orbital Sciences
Orb-1 (first Orbital Sciences CRS mission)
 * Launch date: 2012-12-14
 * Internal Cargo: Unknown

Orb-2
 * Launch date: 2013-04-08
 * Internal Cargo: Unknown

--Craigboy (talk) 00:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

COTS verses CRS
The lede's second paragraph begins, "COTS must be distinguished from the related Commercial Resupply Services (CRS) program." However, the CRS article redirects here. -- cregil  (talk)  14:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * COTS has got the Orbital test flights and then finishes. The CRS flights start this year and go on for many years.  IMHO The Commercial Resupply Services page will soon need to become a full page.  The COTS page will become a history page.  Andrew Swallow (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC).

Splitting CRS section into its own article
I think it is definitely time for the CRS section to become its own article. Wingtipvortex (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with you; CRS is the future, it deserves a dedicated page. --Andrea And (talk) 10:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know, seeing as how there is so much overlap between the two maybe we should just convert this into a CRS article and make COTS a subsection in it.--Craigboy (talk) 22:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * That would make sense, given COTS is just a 'sub-program' of CRS. WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  16:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * COTS is still alive. Wait until a year after the Cygnus has successfully docked with the ISS then merge the COTS page into the CRS page.  The CRS page can be created immediately. Andrew Swallow (talk) 21:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Andrew, no argument that COTS is still alive and running. But so is CRS, given that COTS flights are part of CRS and that Dragon will fly in September on a CRS non-COTS mission. You don't think moving to CRS and then having a COTS section is a good idea? WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  13:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Separate pages for COTS and CRS.  Then merge in about a years time.  Since COTS will then be history.  Andrew Swallow (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a bad idea, but do we have enough material to have two separate articles? WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  22:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Over the years the CRS article will grow. Andrew Swallow (talk) 03:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, especially once the first flight takes place. It would probably be OK to have a COTS subsection regardless and have it link to this main article. Also a table of launches. WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  04:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Won't the CRS article mostly just consist of tables?--Craigboy (talk) 17:50, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Mostly, yes. I think we can have several sections that should be substantial:
 * History of the Program
 * Description of the vehicles
 * Sections for key flights
 * Table for future flights
 * A COTS section would also be appropriate once the articles are merged. WingtipvorteX   (talk)   ∅  23:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Unless I'm reading the above conversation incorrectly, it seems that there is consensus that the COTS and CRS are separate programs; COTS is still running; CRS is underway, with first contracted delivery scheduled for this fall; two articles are justified: one for COTS and one for CRS. The remaining issues, it seems to me, are about details within each of those articles. I support this emergent consensus. N2e (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * SUPPORT split into two articles, one for COTS and one for CRS. Rationale given in previous paragraph.  N2e (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * SUPPORT split into two articles, one for COTS and one for CRS. They are separated programs, even managed by different offices (COTS: Commercial Crew & Cargo Program Office, CRS: ISS Transportation Office), so they need separated pages. --Andrea And (talk) 10:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Orbital overall contract performance -- overview
There is a good overview of the Orbital Sciences COTS contract, milestones, and payment by NASA for 28 of the 29 total milestones completed to date, in the prelaunch briefing for the Cygnus 1 demo mission, scheduled to be launched on 27 Sep 2013, about ten hours from now. A potential source for article improvement. N2e (talk) 04:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Info
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/SP-2014-617.pdf --Craigboy (talk) 08:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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