Talk:Communist-controlled China (1927–1949)

Proposal to merge the article on the Chinese Soviet Republic into this article
I propose the merger of the article on the Chinese Soviet Republic into this article. It is true that the Chinese Soviet Republic was a state from 1931 to 1937, but territories under control of the Communist Party of China with their own Communist-based government existed from 1927 up to 1949 when the entire mainland was captured by the Communists and the People's Republic of China was founded. I believe that it is better to have a centralized article on the topic of Communist-controlled China from 1927 to 1949 prior to the founding of the PRC, rather than have a bunch of divided stub articles.--R-41 (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * While I definitely think this Soviet China article is very useful in consolidating the history of Red-occupied china 1927-1949 into one article, I don't know if its necessary to simply remove the Soviet Republic article. I think it might be artificially consolidating different political entities. A centralized article is a useful organizational tool but it shouldn't come at the expense of forcing historical squares into circles. The differences between Soviet China and the Yenan base-areas were not just formal but also reflected a change in orientation. The post-Long March Chinese Reds never referred to their government as "Soviet" since they wished to play on Chinese nationalism and disown any foreign influences. The term Soviet China is never used for post-1935 base areas. Especially during the World War II period there was a common illusion agreed on by the CPC and KMT that there was one unified Chinese state against the Japanese. There are plenty of examples on wikipedia of one general article covering a large scope, and then more specific articles covering more detailed aspects. Especially in military articles we have articles about wars, campaigns and battles in decreasing size. So I think there is room for both a Soviet China and Soviet Chinese Republic article.


 * As of now this article seems to be entirely a copy and paste of the Chinese Soviet Republic article anyway. The current Soviet China article is already fairly long only currying the Soviet Republic period. It doesn't make any sense to replace an article on the Chinese Soviet Republic which actually existed and called itself that, with a vague article on "Soviet China", a term that is never used by historians to refer to 1935-1949 Red areas. It also gives the misleading impression that the People's Republic directly succeeded the Soviet Republic when in fact there was a 15 year gap. So perhaps the solution is to focus this article on 1935-1949 Red China or perhaps start new articles on the Yanan base area or Communist resistance bases during WW2. --Gary123 (talk) 04:18, 13 April 2012 (UTC)


 * What really should happen is that this article should only talk about communist parts of China outside of the Jiangxi Soviet, such as post 1935 non-really-soviet Communist China like Gary123 mentioned as well as Communist controlled parts of China during the Second United Front, and Communist-controlled China from between the fall of the Second United Front and the declaration of the people's republic. --TypeKnight03 (talk) 04:06, 06 July 2021 (UTC)

Flag
It seems to be not so accurate to use the current flag of the Communist Party of China in some cases. As in this newsreel produced around 1948 (during the second civil war in China), national flags of the Republic of China was flown in the celebration of the victory of the Chinese Communist's army at 08:29, 08:50 and 09:10 by mass and band in Yan'an. Besides, the current design of the flag was based on a 1996 document, CCP flags at that time was different from current design (shape of the sickle handle). --Ericmetro (talk) 17:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Labels for Flags in Infobox
The second flag in the infobox is labeled "Flag of the Chinese Red Army; right: 1934–1948" Even though the actual article on the Chinese Red Army states the army was inactive in 1937 and completely disbanded by 1945. The PLA Wikipedia states that the army was named "Peoples Liberation Army" in 1945 after the merging of the N4A and 18GA units. It's well documented that the post 1949 PLA used a new flag, and the second united front and pre Japanese surrender era Army used National Revolutionary Army flags, so shouldn't this label be corrected? --TypeKnight03 (talk) 04:24, 06 July 2021 (UTC)