Talk:Community Associations Institute

WP:NPOV
Please stop removing the description of Evan Mackenzie as a critic of homeowners' associations and passing off his opinions as a undisputed fact. Αργυριου (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Do not remove factual information without good reason. The facts are valid, the CAI not only defeated this legislation, but bragged about it in the quoted newsletter.


 * Just because you don't like the facts, doesn't mean you can unilaterally delete them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Reardon  (talk • contribs)  18:40, June 4, 2007


 * Find a reliable source for the newsletter, then, not some crank's personal website. Oh, and sign your posts. Αργυριου (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Added POV tag. All 5 article references are to "Privatopia," a decidedly non-neutral source. I have no love for CAI, but there should at least be a reference to CAI's stated mission somewhere in the article. I'll gather a few sources and start cleaning this up a bit.--Taz80 21:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

- RoyBoy 00:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Adding duplicity from unreliable source -- CAI: an association comprised of homeowners
An additional book source,"Questions & Answers About Community Associations" by Jan Hickenbottom, was used to clarify the first section of the CAI entry. Reviewing previous history, it appears that one editor is personally attached to the previous edit. --Sillysabre (talk) 13:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Jan Hickenbottom spews CAI propaganda in her Q&A, and very often conveniently advises people to go to lawyers that can handle HOA matters (CAI lawyers). This was one of the complaints about her LA Times Q&A, and those complaints were one of the reasons the LA Times discontinued this industry column.
 * Your edit, adding that CAI is an association ... composed of homeowners," is duplicitous CAI propaganda that contradicts the reliable source cited (a peer reviewed textbook published by Yale University Press) -- which states that CAI is an HOA service vendor trade association that is "dominated by lawyers and property managers."
 * Lincoln C. Cummings, CAI founder, admitted that it became an HOA service vendor trade association, when he wrote, "the colleagues [(lawyers)] soon took over the Institute. Today CAI is fundamentally a trade association. Our experiment failed.")
 * Your contention that "one editor is personally attached to the previous edit" is uncivil. Please stop being uncivil. -- Rico  17:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * If the argument is that "Q&A" should be excluded due to author bias, the same would be held true of "Privitopia". The reasonable solution for providing a balanced article is to include both sources.  Drawing conclusions on allegations of propaganda by comparing only two source references is a stretch. I was not aware of the LA Times column publishing history - I'm glad it was discontinued after 12 years.

.--Sillysabre (talk) 21:26, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:V states, "In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses [and] university-level textbooks." Privatopia is a peer-reviewed textbook, published by Yale University Press -- and is currently in use, as required Urban Planning reading at the University of California. It won the American Political Science Association prize for the best book on urban politics. It is the very (Wikipedia) definition of a "most reliable source."
 * Its reliability is a distinct issue -- and essentially, per WP:V, beyond question.
 * The edit you keep trying to make contradicts it.
 * We don't provide "balanced articles" here by including two different sources that different authors use. Both sources would have to be reliable, and while that is a necessary condition, it is not a sufficient condition.
 * I draw no conclusions.
 * If you were not aware of Hickenbottom's Q&A LA Times column publishing history, how did you know it was discontinued after 12 years?
 * One of the things Dr. McKenzie wrote in his Yale University Press published, university-level textbook was that -- notwithstanding organizational changes -- CAI has no intention of abandoning its public image as something more than a trade association, and it clearly wishes to retain the credibility resulting from that perception.
 * The edit you keep trying to make seems to be lifted straight out of that duplicitous image spin, and injects the perception that the CAI lobbying organization is something more than a trade association -- but Professor McKenzie also wrote that the new structure removed whatever special legitimacy the organization had beyond that of a typical trade association petitioning for legislative beneficence for its members. -- Rico  16:04, 23 October

2009 (UTC)

Bears checking for source of CAI funding. Believe this group also is federally funded through taxpayer grants for its "educational" and lobbying purposes. HOAs were created between private developers, and the municipalities and states to begin with. They were "state created" not simply "developer created" in order to pass off additional property taxes through these HOAs, and also reduce the costs of the developers for upfront costs necessary due to zoning laws already in existence. Please check their source of funding, since they are also getting federal and state grant monies, I'm quite sure.

CAI According to CAI
CAI: Building Better Communities

Community Associations Institute (CAI) is a nonprofit membership organization dedicated to building and sustaining successful communities. Founded in 1973, CAI and its 60 U.S. and international chapters provide information, education and resources to the homeowner volunteers who govern communities and the professionals who support them. CAI’s 30,000-plus members include community association board members, other homeowner leaders, community managers, association management firms and other professionals who provide products and services to community associations.

CAI serves community associations and their residents by:

-- Advancing excellence through seminars, workshops, conferences and education programs, most of which lead to professional designations for community managers and other industry professionals.

-- Publishing the largest collection of resources available on community association management and governance, including website content, books, guides, Common Ground magazine and specialized newsletters.

-- Advocating on behalf of community associations before legislatures, regulatory bodies and the courts.

-- Conducting research and serving as an international clearinghouse for information, innovations and best practices in community association development, governance and management.

CAI believes homeowner and condominium associations should strive to exceed the expectations of their residents. We work toward this goal by identifying and meeting the evolving needs of the professionals and volunteers who serve associations, by being a trusted forum for the collaborative exchange of knowledge and information and by helping our members learn, achieve and excel. Our mission is to inspire professionalism, effective leadership and responsible citizenship, ideals reflected in associations that are preferred places to call home.

Visit www.caionline.org or call (888) 224-4321. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.80.153.59 (talk) 16:39, 22 February 2011 (UTC)