Talk:Con Los Años Que Me Quedan

Proposed move
The proposed move to English style capitalizaion does not seem non-controversial: The article was recently changed in the opposite direction on the ground that the capitalization of Spanish titles is different from English titles. I have no opinion on the subject, but there should be discussion before the move is made. —teb728 t c 04:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The guidelines at WP:CAPS state that: "If the article is about a work in a foreign language (such as a book or other written work, movie, album, or song), using the capitalization found in most English language reliable sources is recommended." This is how it is listed on English-language sources such as Allmusic and Billboard. Erick (talk) 17:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved per WP:CAPS, WP:UE, and the citations given in response Future Perfect at Sunrise's note. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Con los años que me quedan → Con Los Años Que Me Quedan – Per WP:CAPS and WP:UE, the guidelines for a capitalization of a foreign-language work is to use capitalization found in most English-language sources. Erick (talk) 05:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose move, unless evidence is offered that the capitalized version is in fact conventional in English. If not, the guideline actually says we should stick with the proper orthography appropriate to the source language, i.e. no caps. As is also the general practice in most careful publications and style guides. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:39, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Allmusic has it written as "Con Los Años Que Me Quedan". Source and so does Billboard Source. I don't see where it says we should stick to proper orthography except for expressions not written in English. It says at WP:CAPS: "If the article is about a work in a foreign language (such as a book or other written work, movie, album, or song), using the capitalization found in most English language reliable sources is recommended." Then there's consistency. The articles for the other singles (such as Mi Tierra (song) and Mi Buen Amor) for the parent album are not using Spanish capitalizion, so it doesn't make sense to have this the only article using Spanish capitalization. Another problem that this go would against WP:V, using Allmusic as an example again, this is how it is written on most reliable English-language sources. Erick (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * There was a recent similar move discussion at Talk:Como Ama una Mujer. As I noted there, using native capitalisation in non-English titles is supported by WikiProject Classical music guidelines (WP:CAPM: "For titles in their original foreign language, the style used is 'sentence capitalization'. That is, the title is capitalized as it would be in a sentence in that language.")  This is congruent with WP:CAPS: Capitalization of expressions borrowed from other languages.  However, that the song is by an American recording artist, that most of the article's sources (and the single cover) use "Con Los Años Que Me Quedan", and that the articles on the album and other singles use English capitalisation should also be considered.  —  AjaxSmack   17:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment No particular opinion on this, but doing songs randomly according to "capitalization in English sources" ad hoc for each song is going to be a mess. A serious English source, dictionary of songs, history of Mambo, whatever, will use a consistent MOS, and probably for Spanish songs a MOS that looks like es:Categoría:Canciones en español. Rather than doing it on an adhoc basis there should be a RfC and decide on a sensible MOS for Spanish songs and stick to it. (Personally I'd come down on the sentence-case style used in better sources, not only is Category:Spanish-language songs a mess but those capitalized song names are sometimes ambiguous as to whether a personal or place name is intended or just a common noun). In ictu oculi (talk) 04:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But what would a "Spanish song" be? What about songs with Spanish titles but English lyrics? (e.g, "La Isla Bonita")  English titles with Spanish lyrics? ("The Ketchup Song")  Either with bilingual lyrics? ("Addicted to You")  Bilingual titles? ("El Ultimo Adios (The Last Goodbye)")  Instrumentals with Spanish titles? ("España Cañí")  Spanish songs issued on albums of English speakers with all other songs being English-language songs?  ("Sola Otra Vez" from Falling into You)  Songs where the title language is ambiguous? ("No, no, no")  Sometimes guideline ambiguity isn't so bad.  —  AjaxSmack   16:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.