Talk:Conan (Dark Horse Comics)

Second Series...
I know it is an arbitary renumbering, but does this page need to be restructed a little to reflect the two different series. There's a lot of general and backgorund stuff that might be specific only to the first series... Duggy 1138 22:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Merge the two Dark Horse articles, no reason for these to be seperate. Conan (comics) should also be moved to Conan (Marvel Comics) and create a disambiguation page at Conan (comics) -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There is very much a need for two articles. Three actually, once "Conan The Cimmerian" starts up. The (admittedly badly named) Conan (Dark Horse comics) covers the two ongoing series, the one shots, the mini-series, and collections.  The Conan (Dark Horse comic) is about one of those ongoing series.
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 05:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * As to the other points about Conan (comics) and Conan (Marvel comics) it sounds like it is worth considering, but not here, on one of those pages.
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 05:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It is far more confusing than that as we currently have:
 * Conan (Dark Horse Comics)
 * Conan (Dark Horse comic)
 * Conan (Dark Horse comics)
 * Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic)
 * We surely don't need then all and I'd have thought we could get this down to 1 or at a push 2 (I'd say 1 and we can then look into splitting others off). (Emperor (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC))


 * Observations
 * Conan the Barbarian (disambiguation) serves as a current dab hub for the character. That lists (comics) as both Marvel and Dark Horse. Based on that, moving Conan (comics) to Conan (Marvel Comics) and recasting (comics) as a sub-dab makes a lot of sense.
 * For all intents Conan (Dark Horse Comics), Conan (Dark Horse comic), and Conan (Dark Horse comics) appear to be the same article. They should collapse to Conan (Dark Horse Comics), properly dabing to the company. in the merge, the (Dark Horse comic) should lose the issues table. Wikipedia is not a comic book index.
 * Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) Looks like some one is setting up a second index. At best it should fold into the DH Conan article. At worst it doesn't need the parenthetical — Conan The Cimmerian doesn't exist.
 * Nutshell — Move Marvel and Merge Dark Horse - J Greb (talk) 16:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah a but just to catch you out there is already Conan (Marvel comics)!! What I'd suggest is we cut Conan (comics) down to more of an index, with the Dark Horse and Marvel sections providing an overview (this leaves it open for other versions - I can't guarantee there aren't some in other languages and it allows for spoofs, etc.). Then merge all Dark Horse articles to Conan (Dark Horse Comics). Also move Conan (Marvel comics) to Conan (Marvel Comics). (Emperor (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC))
 * I agree, only 3 pages are needed at most. Conan (Dark Horse comic) should remain the lone Dark Horse page as it has the longer edit history and its the page the others were split from.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.199.231 (talk) 04:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually technically according to naming conventions the right name is Conan (Dark Horse Comics). I'm going to ask for input. (Emperor (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC))
 * See e.g. X (Dark Horse Comics) and Rex Mundi (Dark Horse Comics). So I'm reversing my suggestion. The three identically titled articles should go to Conan (Dark Horse Comics). (Emperor (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC))
 * Just to clarify these are my suggested solutions:
 * Conan (Marvel comics) moved to Conan (Marvel Comics)
 * Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) moved to Conan the Cimmerian (comics)
 * Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan (Dark Horse comics) merged into Conan (Dark Horse Comics)
 * Which are all the consistent solutions within the comic project naming conventions and with J Greb's suggestions above except Conan the Cimmerian (small "t" as it should be) rightly redirects the main article. (Emperor (talk) 17:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC))
 * I'd suggest page history merges for any merges, unless that's what you meant. If you're unsure how to do it, let me know which pages to merge and I'll do it. Hiding T 19:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea - if you wouldn't mind. I'd need a few practices in my sandbox before taking on a three-way history merge ;) (Emperor (talk) 02:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC))

The three pages really aren't identical, and when combine they're a horrible, horrible mess, which is why the were split off in the first place. But, hey, if you guys can solve those problems go ahead. Duggy 1138 (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why the Dark Horse Conan comics overview page (two series, one shot, minis, collections) page and the first series page are to be combined and the second series is to get its own page. It seems to be bias based on the name.  All three should be combined, or none (IMO). Duggy 1138 (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd not object to that idea. The problem is that there is a large amount of overlap between all 3. Merging shouldn't be that messy. Conan (Dark Horse comics) and Conan (Dark Horse Comics) get combined to create the main overview and then Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) just fit into the relevant sections. All of them need tightening up but that will have to wait until after the merge (I'll do a few runs through them). (Emperor (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC))
 * What's occurring then? Hiding T 10:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, clearly Conan (Dark Horse comics) should be deleted as it is just a badly capitalised version of Conan (Dark Horse Comics). Other than that the consensus seems to be merge the two ongoing series into Conan (Dark Horse Comics), with a redirect from the Conan the Cimmerian series page.  Not that I'm for it, but that's the consensus as I see it.  There's also some Conan (Comics), (Marvel Comics), (Dark Horse Comics) issues, which seem to be decided, but I think that should be discussed separately. Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) get slotted into the sections available for them in Conan (Dark Horse Comics). It may be that there are bits of Conan (Dark Horse comics) that could also be incorporated but they are pretty similar and we can double check later.
 * I will move the Marvel one now and once we have the Dark Horse one settled I'll trim down Conan (comics). That should do I think - there wil need to be some copy editing and such but the major thing is the Dark Horse merges. (Emperor (talk) 03:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC))
 * Yeah, Conan (Dark Horse comics) was more different than I expected. I've basically dropped all the extra information from that page into this one. Which means the formating is off now.  Another pair of eyes might be a good idea (I may have missed things) but once we're happy that that page isn't needed I think we can quick delete it. I'm not saying that the changes to Conan (Dark Horse Comics) are the better of the two versions, just moving stuff so it can be quickly undone/deleted/fixed by other editors. Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic), Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan (Dark Horse comics) have all been merged into Conan (Dark Horse Comics). I have slotted in the relevant information from Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) and Conan (Dark Horse comic) to their appropriate sections, whilst Conan (Dark Horse comics) appeared to mirror this. Hiding T 14:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Does Conan (Comics) really need to be anything more than a disambiguous page? Probably with "Comics from Marvel", "Comics from DH" and titles, without all the information that is replicated on the separate pages anyway? Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We can look it over later - I don't see a problem with it being a general overview like Indiana Jones comic books (or Thor (comics)) but we can see if it needs turning into a setindex further down the line. I suppose it depends on how important the general stuff is like parodies (which would need to be in a general topic). (Emperor (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC))
 * I think its very important to merge all Dark Horse articles into Conan (Dark Horse comic) and then properly rename it. Don't loose 2 years of edit history to one of these new spinoff articles -- 69.182.79.163 (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hiding will do a history merge of the 3 merged pages so nothing will be lost. (Emperor (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC))
 * Okay, I hope I have done this right:
 * That looks to be right.
 * What it needs now is a thorough edit. There appear to be two images appearing twice which will need removing. We could also do with an infobox (or perhaps two).
 * I also wonder if we should just list the Marvel Comics that Dark Horse reprint on the Marvel article and then link through to it. That stop the information being replicated.
 * Overall good stuff, now for the polishing. (Emperor (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC))
 * I think that the collections work a little better here. There isn't any real collection section on the marvel page, I think a link there to the collections here works. Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK... oes that mean we can purge the duped images and the index tables now? - J Greb (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Story?
New here, haven't made an account but I will, I'm just at work at the moment. I was just wondering, this does all fine and well to discuss what comics there are, but what about the storyline? Is there going to be any expansion on the actual story or plot of each comic series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.222.119 (talk) 13:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There only 21 official Conan stories by REH. A large portion of Conan comics in the past have been adapted from non-REH stories or writer created. It appears that DHC is story-arcs that cover sections of Conan's life. Tng88 (talk) 05:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

King Conan - ongoing?
I thought I should point out that the first issue of King Conan: The Phoenix and the Sword, indicates on the inner cover that it is number 5 in a series. The Scarlett Citadel books are numbered 1 to 4 on their inner covers. So, it would seem that King Conan is an ongoing series. I've not read them yet, but does Phoenix and the Sword pick up where Scarlett Citadel left off? - tSR - Nth Man (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Not sure still, if a third series comes out and it's counted on the inside 9, 10, etc than I think we declare it an ongoing or at least a series of mini-series. Plastelin (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

The actual REH stories don't have chronological structure, meaning you can read them in any order and be okay. I haven't looked at the Phoenix on the Sword issues yet but if the story is told in a manner similar to Scarlet Citadel, with King Conan recounting his version of events to a scribe, then it can be inferred that this is the order King Conan is recounting his adventures to the scribe. Tng88 (talk) 05:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, its confirmed, the third series, The Hour of the Dragon, has counted on the inside its first issue as issue 9 of the King Conan series. So will we present this as an ongoing series like the others or a series of mini-series? Plastelin (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, each issue is framed with the Nemedian Chronicles talking with King Conan. I wouldn't consider it an ongoing series because each mini-series comes out some time after the previous one.71.164.184.188 (talk) 21:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

But they have an ongoing numbering for each issue? The first mini-series was numbered as King Conan 1-4, the second King Conan 5-8, and the third one now has started as King Conan 9. Also, it doesn't really matter if several months pass between the different story arcs, because that's actually something that is typical for Dark Horse comics. For example look at their Star Wars comics. The Star Wars - Dark Times series is considered an ongoing series but is in fact a series of mini-series/arcs with each one coming out months after the previous one. Plastelin (talk) 21:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

That's not entirely correct. The inside numbering is like that however, the numbering on the covers is 1-4. It doesn't really matter to me. Tng88 (talk) 06:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

1-4 on the covers is for the story arc, but the inside numbering for the overall King Conan series has been running from 1 up to 9 at the moment. Plastelin (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

"Collections" Column in Issues tables
This column is used for the Conan series as an easy way to find where any individual story is collected. Yes, there is a collections section, but given that the collections span four separate ongoing series, it becomes difficult to track down which artists/writers/colorists were involved in a particular volume. With the Collections column reinstated this information is easily available and easy to read without having to go back and forth between the "issues" and "collections" sections, and without cluttering the "collections" section with information already laid out in full in the "issues" section.

Plastelin pointed out in an edit that this doubles up in information, and I agree to a point. Certainly it is not needed in the King Conan section where the collection method is significantly smaller and much less complicated, but for the Conan section, it streamlines the complicated way these stories are collected, especially for newcomers. The addition of this column makes the information easily accessible, which was the reason for my restructure of these tables in the first place.

--Hellboybookeeper (talk) 03:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

"Miniseries and one shots" restructured
I've just done an extensive clean up of this section, corrected a lot of incorrect information, and added further details from the Dark Horse Comics official site. However, I'm still missing some information. --Hellboybookeeper (talk) 06:02, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The Conan Funcom Special, Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures, featured two stories, The Age of Conan and The Road of Kings. I have no idea where The Road of Kings has been collected, if indeed it has been collected. If anyone knows, please add that information into the "Notes" column.
 * The information regarding Conan: The Phantoms of the Black Coast is a little sparse. If anyone knows more about this, please fill it in.
 * The collection Conan and the Daughters of Midora and other stories features a new story by Michael Avon Oeming. If anyone knows the title of this, please add it.

Restructure
I've made some big changes. The "Conan" section is no longer about the ongoing series exclusively. Now it is about all Conan-branded stories (as distinct from the King Conan stories, which have their own numbering). The "Collections" sections from the original version of the "Conan" section and the "Miniseries and one-shots" section have now been collapsed into a single section, "Conan collections". This way all the material is visible in the one place. It makes much more sense this way.

What was previously "Miniseries and one-shots" is now "Conan (Miniseries and one-shots)" as a subsection of "Conan".

Hopefully this should make the page much easier to read, and will make it clear the King Conan is a series distinct from Conan. --Hellboybookeeper (talk) 12:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with most changes, however I don't agree with being two collections lists. You put the collections column in the individual series tables and a separate table exclusively for the collections in the separate collections section. I agree with the separate table in the separate collections section. But the collections column in the individual series is in that case surplus and un-needed. I also don't agree with the mini-series and one-shots being in the same section as the main series. Your reasoning for separating the King Conan series has a separate numbering than the main Conan series, this is true. However, by that reasoning we would have to remove into a separate overall section the mini-series and one-shots as well due to them also having a separate number from the main Conan series. Plastelin (talk) 10:40, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * That was why I put them in a different subsection, because they have a separate number from the main Conan series, yet they still share the banner "Conan" (as opposed to "King Conan," which clearly does not). This also makes the collections section/s make much more sense. As you currently have it set up, there is an arbitrary division for the ongoing collections and the other collections, despite the fact that some one-shot material has ended up in the ongoing volumes, and some ongoing material has ended up in the unnumbered collections. You even have some unnumbered trades that are not distributed as a part of the ongoing collections in the ongoing collection section simply because they feature some ongoing issues.


 * There's no easy way to resolve this while the split remains between "Conan (ongoing)" and "Conan (mini-series and one-shots)". The way it was previously laid out made more sense in terms of the way the collections are presented by Dark Horse. It was much easier for a reader to find out which issue from which series is in which trade and vice versa. The current layout is less accessible to new readers, requiring a certain amount of familiarity with the series to know where to find things.


 * I propose a return to "Conan" being a single section with "Conan (mini-series and one-shots)" being a subsection of it alongside the various ongoing series, with "Conan Collections" having the complete Conan trades, both numbered and unnumbered. In the text beneath "Conan (mini-series and one-shots)" it should be made clear that these titles are not a part of the ongoing numbering.


 * Alternatively, if you insist on leaving the current split between the books bearing the Conan banner, we could have "Conan (ongoing)," "Conan (mini-series and one-shots)," "King Conan (series of mini-series)," and a final section titled "Collections," which would feature all collections from all of the previous sections, including the King Conan material. The "Collections" section could have subsections for the numbered Conan collections, the unnumbered Conan collections, and the King Conan collections. --Hellboybookeeper (talk) 15:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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