Talk:Confederación Nacional del Trabajo/Translation

Translation started
You can start translating the article now. Thanks to everybody in advance. The existing english article may have some parts of the Spanish article already translated, as well as some useful infoboxes. It's still online: Confederación Nacional del Trabajo. --Wafry 22:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Name of organization
Are we going to call it National Confederation of Labour (caption under logo in infobox) or National Work Federation? I prefer the former (although I don't use British spelling). Thoughts? Jlaramee 21:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I also like National Confederation of Labour better.--Wafry 23:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Part of translation
Hello, I have been working on a section of the article, just where the English stops. Since I am new to wikipedia I wanted to post what I have rather than editing it straight in:

To bring about social revolution the organisation has outlined a social-economic system through the confederal concept of libertarian communism, which consists of a series of general ideas proposed for the organisation of an anarchist society.

As an organisation that draws inspiration from libertarian ideas, it also identifies with the struggles of different socialist movements. As such, the NCL defends causes unrelated to labour such as the dignity of people confined in prisons, ecological demands, the fight against gender discrimination, opposition to militarism and squatters' rights.

The NCL is an organisation with an internationalist nature but it supports the right of self-determination of the communities and their sovereignty with respect to the states.

Structure

The organisational structure of the NCL is intended to as far as possible prevent bureaucracy and leaderships. On the right hand side there is a basic diagram of this structure, the elements of which are described below.

Craft union and general union

The craft unions form the base structure of the NCL. They group together the workers of different crafts within each branch of production. When there are less than twenty five people working in one particular branch a general union is formed. This can include workers from different crafts and branches of production and requires a minimum of five people for its constitution. If this number cannot be reached either, a confederal nucleus can be created.

The decision-making power of the craft and general unions resides in the assembly. This means that decisions are taken by all of the workers of the union in question via a system of direct democracy and consensus.

Union sections

Union sections are assemblies of union workers who find themselves working in a particular work centre or business if it is small. The assembly of the union section chooses a delegation for the union section which is usually rotated and which will represent the opinions of the union section in meetings with other entities, although it does not have decision making powers.

In the first line I am not too sure about "confederal", and I was not sure in some parts of the terminology I should use for the different groups. Hope this is useful.

Tbtommyb 17:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it is pretty good. Don't be afraid of editing the article. I think it's better if you edit the article directly, so we can check the edits in the watchlist and compare the translation with the untranslated part in one view, and if it's needed, make the fixes on it.--Wafry 19:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, just one advice. When translating Spanish wikilinks into English, try using the equivalent articles. I usually open the spanish article and look on the left bottom side, where the "in other languages" box is. Sometimes there is not an equivalent, so you can translate more freely.--Wafry 22:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip, I'll bear that in mind. Tbtommyb 17:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

CNT or NCL
Should we use the acronym CNT or NCL? I think CNT is better because it's the only one official, even if it's in Spanish. The translated one varies on the translation you use.--Wafry 21:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

orwell quotes
The Spanish article has two quotes from Homage to Catalonia. Rather than retranslating them, I found the original quotes in my copy of the book. As Orwell wrote in English, there's probably no further editing to be done on them (unless I made some typos.) Mlc 08:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Translation completed
The article translation is now completed. It probably needs some copyediting, though, but I think we can move the /Translation page into the front page now and promote the SPATRA.--Wafry 10:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
The translation of this translation article is completed, so now it is time to move it to its right place. Please, can any administrator move it?--Wafry 23:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)