Talk:Congolese Independence Speech

Potential unreliable source
I've noticed that this article cites the following source: Isn't Lulu only for self-published material? -Indy beetle (talk)
 * I don't mean to be threatening, but I don't think this is good enough for GA status as per the provision that it is "Verifiable with no original research". Why is this a reliable source and if not, can the info be found elsewhere? -Indy beetle (talk) 01:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Where is the speech of King Baudouin, and Joseph Kasavubu???
Where is the speech of King Baudouin, and Joseph Kasavubu??? this page is a complete fake made by cultural marxist to frame the events of 1960, shame on you people... this is not an encyclopedia this is a propaganda website for international woke/decolonization marxists 2A02:A03F:8B18:9300:F1DE:8F3B:318B:8BC4 (talk) 12:32, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

can someone make a page for King Baudoins speech

 * Much attention has been given to the significance of Lumumbas speech, including rhetorical analysis. I don’t think there’s enough material to prove the kings speech is independently notable. -Indy beetle (talk) 04:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

You are trying to rewrite history here by highlighting certain events, and silencing others, with the cultural marxist, self hating, far left, anti-colonial, the past is evil narative... claiming that the independance speech of king Baudouin is not relevant or naotable, is simply ridiculous and false! KingBaudoin (talk) 05:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia with its "The people's history' narative is becoming a copy of this website: https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/lumumba/1960/06/independence.htm KingBaudoin (talk) 05:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could provide sources instead of being a whiny little bitch? I’m no Marxist, and your complaints do not strengthen your argument. Show me some sources, and I’ll consider writing an article. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:54, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:AGF and WP:NOTFORUM and keep this discussion constructive. However, I have to admire the expertise of someone standing up for historical truth but apparently unable to spell Baudouin. We do not address his speech here in detail because it is not the subject of this particular article - plenty of people, complimentary or not, have written on Lumumba's text and this makes it WP:NOTABLE. Even if this were not the case, however, we could still not include the entire text of the speech which is still subject to copyright and we are also required to follow WP:NOFULLTEXT. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:38, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

so that is your answer? a personal attack? i think personal attacks are a reason to get blocked on wikipedia, so i would be careful if i was you... KingBaudoin (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd consider an unsupported accusation that I'm engaging in Marxist revisionism a personal attack. -Indy beetle (talk) 19:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

there where 3 speeches at that event, 1 from the king, 1 from the president, and 1 from lumumba, yet this article only talks about about 1 speech, if this is not revisionism, then what is it? KingBaudoin (talk) 20:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * There were 3 speeches, one of which was notable. This is ... not hard to understand. --JBL (talk) 21:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, so 1 speech attracted more attention then the other 2 in a 1960's revolutionary, anti-colonial, anti-war hippie era, and therefore the other 2 speeches dont exist anymore and are illegitimate?, The other 2 speeches were also independence speeches, this page should be either called congolese independence speech by Lumumba, and 2 new pages should be added about each of the 2 other speches or there should be content added about the other 2 speeches on this page, now it is asif this is the only speech, the only legitimate speech, wich it is not, it is just 1 of 3, and yes that is a form of revisionism ... not hard to understand.

And btw, by adding content about the other 2 speeches, it will even make Lumumba's speech come out even more powerful, so you win always, give the people the right and FULL information, and have trust in the common sense judgement of people.

KingBaudoin (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * We do not write articles about things because they exist or are "legitimate", so us not having an article on those two does not mean "therefore the other 2 speeches dont exist anymore and are illegitimate". It has nothing to do with that. This is not about making "Lumumba's speech come out even more powerful" either. A lot of the attention brought to his speech was negative at the time, so your invoking of "a 1960's revolutionary, anti-colonial, anti-war hippie era" is misleading at best. Please read our general notability guideline: WP:GNG. This governs what we write articles on. There is not enough in-depth source material about either Baudouin's or Kasa-Vubus speeches to give them their own article, as they did not attract enough devoted attention in sources. The parts about them deemed most important by the sources (such as the Belgian King's praises for his predecessor) are summarized here. You could change our minds by finding in-depth sources about these speeches, but if you can't, please stop arguing as it will go nowhere. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:16, 7 January 2021 (UTC)