Talk:Connecticut Western Reserve

Western Reserve Road
Who was the original surveyor of Western Reserve Road? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.115.244 (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2004 (UTC)


 * Which one? According to the article at Streetsboro, Ohio, "In 1825, a turnpike from Cleveland to Wellsville, Ohio (better known as State Route 14) was laid by Frederick Wadsworth, Samuel Cowles, John Strauyhen and Titus Street. Street agreed to give enough land to make it through the township. In 1827, the turnpike was completed."  Is this the Western Reserve Road to which you refer? -- SwissCelt 20:56, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Architecture in the Western Reserve
I eliminated the wording that denoted there was a "Western Reserve" style of architecture noted for its six over one light window; this is pure gibberish. My reasoning is thus: user: stude62 user talk:stude62 03:33, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * An architectural style is not determined by window light (panes of glass) placement.
 * At the time the Reserve was settled, the manufacturing of large expanses of plate glass had not yet been made practical.
 * The era of design that corresponds to the settlement period is Federal, Georgian and Greek Revival.

County formation
I'm not sure how much detail is needed in this article, but I corrected a statement that CWR became a part of the Northwest Territory in 1800 with the formation of Trumball County. That was not correct and I'm not sure if it is correct to imply that Trumball County was the first county government over the area. Washington County was the initial county of the Northwest Territory (NWT) and included most of the eastern half of Ohio, including roughly all the CWR east of the Cuyahoga River. Wayne County was established in 1796 and included all of northwest Ohio west of the Cuyahoga. Jefferson County was formed out of Washington County in 1797 and included the CWR east of the Cuyahoga. Trumball County was formed in 1800 from parts of Wayne and Jefferson counties and its boundaries corresponding to that of the CWR. older ≠ wiser 14:09, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, with a bit of further research, it appears that jurisdiction over the CWR was a matter of some dispute until Connecticut made a final cession in 1800 (after which the NWT government established Trumbull County). Although Connecticut "reserved" this land (hence the name) when it ceded claim to other western lands, the area was also defined as being within the Northwest Territory when it was established. Arthur St. Clair, Governor of the Northwest Territory, established Washington County be declaration on the July 26, 1788, and included within it the land of CWR east of the Cuyahoga. Similarly, this land was included in the later creation of Jefferson County on July 29, 1797, also by declaration of St. Clair. Wayne County was created by declaration of the Secretary of the NWT in St. Clair's absence (and there was a bit of a dust-up over it). However, the residents of the CWR were faced with a dilemma, since all records of their land purchases were kept with Connecticut rather than under the jurisdiction of the NWT. To clarify the jurisdictional confusion, the residents petitioned Connecticut to cede the territory in 1800. Here are a few links for further reading Washington County History, Maps of Ohio County formation, Congressional Report No. 51 (exhaustive and tedious reading, but thorough). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkonrad (talk • contribs) 21:57, 16 February 2005 (UTC)

Modern Use
I removed the following sentence from the article: The latter name [Western Reserve] is still used to describe the northeastern corner of Ohio.  This is a historic term, and I don't believe anyone refers to NE Ohio as such, except in a historic sense. Specifically, one only hears "Homestead X was the first in the Historic Western Reserve," which indicates that the name is old, and no longer in common use. If anyone can find a source verifying that the area is still commonly called the Western Reserve, such as a news broadcast saying "riots continued today throughout much of the Western Reserve," please feel free to put the sentence back in. Confiteordeo 05:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Here are some examples of modern use: Western Reserve Public Media, the new name of the organization originally encompassing public television stations WNEO and WEAO; the Western Reserve Transit Authority, the public transportation agency serving metro Youngstown; and Ballet Western Reserve, also serving Youngstown.  Many other examples can be found. -- JeffBillman (talk) 16:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I can attest the term is still used to describe Northeast Ohio by people in the Youngstown area. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

History
The History section sort of peters out. What happened to it: that is, how did it subsequently become part of Ohio? Jeff Worthington 14:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Beyond this, the History section starts in the middle or end of the story. There should be some explanation of Connecticut's initial claim and what that encompassed as well as why it ceded some of it after the American Revolution. Starting in the middle makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:4381:E60:701E:95C9:709D:C624 (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Owned by CT or part of CT?
One thing that's never really been clear to me is whether Connecticut actually treated the Reserve as part of the state, or whether it was just regarded as land that Connecticut could sell and/or give to its veterans. Was the Reserve organized into counties by the Connecticut government? Could residents vote in Connecticut elections? Was it part of any US Congressional districts for Connecticut? --Jfruh (talk) 23:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think it ever was part of the state, no. I've never heard of towns such as Ravenna, Warren, and Hudson-- or even Cleveland-- referred to as being in Connecticut, as was the case with Wheeling (now Wheeling, West Virginia) or Lexington (Lexington, Kentucky), both of which originally were a part of Virginia. -- JeffBillman (talk) 22:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * On pages 26 - 27 of Summers, Thomas J.: History of Marietta, The Leader Publishing Co., Marietta, Ohio (1903). google book online,it says: "....On May 26,1786,the State of Connecticut ceded to the United States her claim to the territory, reserving, however, what is known as the 'Western Reserve of Connecticut,' containing 3,666,621 acres near Lake Erie, which she held till 1800, when she surrendered this also. These claims of Virginia and Connecticut were recognized by the United States in no way as to jurisdiction, but only as to ownership." In "History of the Western Reserve" google book online on page 9, the author says that Connecticut considered the tract a "white elephant", and when the company paid $1,200,000 for it, it was their baby.            Roseohioresident (talk) 22:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting! As far as Connecticut was concerned, the Western Reserve was a part of the state ("New Connecticut") for fourteen years and was governed as such. Albert E. Van Dusen in Connecticut (New York: Random House, 1961): "The part of Ohio most intimately associated with Connecticut is the Western Reserve. When Connecticut yielded her claims to any Pennsylvania land by a deed of cession to Congress in 1786 [see Susquehanna Settlers], the state specifically 'reserved' a strip of land bordering upon Lake Erie and Pennsylvania, 120 miles wide from east to west.... Congress accepted this reservation, and the area ... was governed by Connecticut until 1800." (p. 199). It's documented at the Connecticut State Library . There was no Ohio version of Westmoreland County, Connecticut, but then again Trumbull County, Ohio wasn't named after Jonathan Trumbull by accident. The Firelands to me also prove that Connecticut considered the Western Reserve as much a part of the state as Michigan would consider the upper penninsula or maybe Florida does her islands -- part of the state, but not at the core. That is, becuase they paid Connecticut taxes! . Best, Markvs88 (talk) 23:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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