Talk:Connie Mack

Born Where?
The Baseball Encyclopedia lists him as born in Brookfield, not East Brookfield. Which is right? Badbilltucker 20:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The site where Mack was born is within the present limits of East Brookfield, Massachusetts, but that town was not incorporated until 1920. At the time of Mack's birth, the property was in Brookfield, Massachusetts. So, as a general statement, both are right. Mack was born in Brookfield, but his birthplace is (now) in East Brookfield. Wiki Wistah 07:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Football?
I visited the Football Hall of Fame a while ago, and I saw Connie Mack was in the HOF for owning one of the first pro football teams, the Phil. Athletics. Can we get anymore information on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.192.172.250 (talk) 03:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's some info http://ghosts.footballhistory.org/Phillies-Athletics.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.192.172.250 (talk) 04:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

SURNAME
Did it remain McGillicuddy? Or did he legally change it to Mack? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.111.132 (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * He never legally changed it. However, he was always known as "Mr. Mack" (his father had been too) and his children adopted the name.  His descendants are still legally named McGillicuddy, though many go by "Mack".  Fumblebruschi (talk) 21:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

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Uncited anecdote
''By the 1940s a member of the Shibe Park staff had established a procedure: He would leave the office in the last half of the seventh inning and go to the elevator section on the clubhouse level, open the door, and hold it for Mack to take Connie to his tower office. The A's played a home game against the Detroit Tigers in 1945 that lasted for 24 innings. The staffer went to the elevator about 4:30 and held the door open for about 3 hours!''

Above passage reverted from article. It's not cited, out of context, and of dubious importance. JNW (talk) 21:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Big Rewrite
I have started a major overhaul of this article to add sources and bring it into line with standard article format. I'll be editing it more over the next few days, so please discuss any changes here. Fumblebruschi (talk) 21:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I'm more or less done. I have removed the improve tags.  Fumblebruschi (talk) 18:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Primary topic, surely

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Page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Connie Mack (baseball) → Connie Mack &mdash; Clearly the most famous bearer of this name, despite having multiple eponymous descendants, cf. Hank Williams (senior). ―cobaltcigs 23:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Connie Mack → Connie Mack (disambiguation)


 * Support. Connie Mack III and Connie Mack IV already have naturally disambiguated article titles, are much less sought than the original, and can easily be mentioned in a hatnote. Station1 (talk) 05:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The other two Connie Macks were active more recently, and the baseball player is not so dominant in the minds of the many people who are not baseball fans. For example, here in Britain baseball is rarely heard of. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn’t know he had grandsons in congress until being astonished to find a disambiguation page earlier today. Are you implying that you were familiar with either of them, but not with Mack himself? ―cobaltcigs 07:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support he's the most famous one, and his descendants are at naturally disambiguated titles.  DC   T • C   07:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as the only use of this exact title. As noted by others, the later Connie Macks have naturally disambiguated article titles. PC78 (talk) 18:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
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File:Connie Mack3.jpg to appear as POTD soon
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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was withdrawn and not moved. --BDD (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

– I'm not necessarily disputing the wisdom of the move from two years ago, but since then, the current Connie Mack is a major party's candidate for the US Senate, and I don't think a baseball player who died over 50 years ago is really the primary topic. The nominator from two years ago asked another editor, "Are you implying that you were familiar with either of [Mack's descendents], but not with Mack himself?" Well, yes. I think I was vaguely aware that Mack IV had an ancestor who was a baseball player, but Connie Mack (Sr.) is no Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth, or Hank Aaron. Sr. was a successful early baseball player and manager, but does that really outweigh two prominent politicians, both of whom served in the House and at least one in the Senate? Looking around Google results for "connie mack" -wikipedia, it's a fairly rough split between Sr. and IV. BDD (talk) 21:18, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Connie Mack → Connie Mack (baseball)
 * Connie Mack (disambiguation) → Connie Mack
 * Compare last month's views:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Page !! Views
 * Connie Mack || 17,644
 * Connie Mack III || 8,370
 * Connie Mack IV || 33,440
 * }
 * No doubt this reflects IV being part of a high-profile political campaign. If he loses, it will probably subside. But if he wins? Either way, Sr. isn't meeting basic WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria. And how many people came here looking for another Mack? It would likely be recentism to call IV the primary topic, but I think it's fair to say there isn't one right now. --BDD (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Connie Mack IV || 33,440
 * }
 * No doubt this reflects IV being part of a high-profile political campaign. If he loses, it will probably subside. But if he wins? Either way, Sr. isn't meeting basic WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria. And how many people came here looking for another Mack? It would likely be recentism to call IV the primary topic, but I think it's fair to say there isn't one right now. --BDD (talk) 21:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. Even if you ignore the spikes related to the senate campaign, reader interest in Connie Mack Sr and IV is about equal, per this page view graph. As primary topic, Sr must be getting at least some traffic intended for IV. Kauffner (talk) 08:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - pure recentism. Connie Mack, the manager, is up there with Babe Ruth, Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb as an early baseball great. Politicians come and go, but nobody will ever come close to managing a major league ball club for 50 years.  BTW, the politician for all the recent news on him, does not have more page views than the real Connie Mack over the last year. . I'd say if the politician gets significantly more page views after two year, then the page view evidence might be considered the most important factor, but this is unlikely to happen even if he wins.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 14:42, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Smallbones and WP:RECENTISM. Connie Mack IV is a candidate for United States Senate election in Florida, 2012, and will likely see his page views decrease by mid November win or lose. I hate to violate WP:CRYSTAL too much, but the polls suggest a high likelihood that Nelson will defeat Mack. Going back further, before the campaign season, Mack the baseball manager has more page views than Mack the politician. If you want, reconsider this RM when the campaign season has passed. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Another method of determining which is the primary topic is what links to the page. Considerably more pages link to "Connie Mack" or "Connie Mack (baseball)" than link to "Connie Mack III" or "Connie Mack IV" – Muboshgu (talk) 15:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous discussion. Reconsider if/when elected, but note that media in his state continue to introduce him as “Connie Mack IV”   implying that the current title is appropriate and no changes need be made. ―cobaltcigs 15:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a good point. The Associated Press also uses "Connie Mack IV". There is certainly no reason to move his article, and thus no conflict. Kauffner (talk) 01:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Connie Mack is not just someone from the archives of history, he is arguably the most famous manager in baseball history. Neither III or IV is that well known outside of Florida.  Even if IV is elected, I doubt that will be enough, he will need to become more notable while in office than his dad did.  There are well over 500 articles linking to Connie Mack, so I hope the nominator is willing to help disambiguate them to Connie Mack I or Connie Mack (baseball) should this page be moved. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note that many incoming links here are due to Mack's presence in templates like Oakland Athletics. I'd be plenty willing to do such diambiguating footwork, which is likely to be much easier than it looks. --BDD (talk) 19:50, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Thought long and hard about this one. Knowing little about Baseball and more about the upcoming Senate race I was leaning towards IV or no primary topic. So I set a (somewhat) arbitrary limit of if there are 3 biographies of the original Mack he should remain the primary page (I think this limit is actually a good test of some timeless recognizability).  Found 4 easy in Amazon and another two in Google Books, for 6 total.  That convinced me that unless Connie Mack IV becomes a prominent legislator (for this case see Joe McCarthy Yankees manager taking backseat to the Senator, of course), the guy with multiple biographies has higher recognizability. SLawsonIII (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The politicians are little-known outside the United States. The baseball manager, on the other hand, is known in countries (like mine) which have no interest in baseball. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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Arnold Johnson was not a Kansas City businessman
He was a Chicago native. I have no idea where he lived at the time of the purchase of the Philadelphia A's, but it was not Kansas City, and I doubt if he ever moved or lived there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.136.147.109 (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Shibe Park
Interesting that the other American owners were sick of playing road games in dilapidated Shibe Park in 1953, yet National League teams played the Phillies there until 1970. Was it perhaps renovated to some degree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.136.147.109 (talk) 23:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Business Suit
Under section Legacy, article states: "Another rule also required managers to wear a baseball uniform if they are to be in the dugout; Mack always wore a business suit instead, which is more common for head coaches in ice hockey and basketball."

Article itself perhaps should have mentioned earlier how he always wore a business suit, distinct for (all or most????) managers of that era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.136.147.109 (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Middle name?
I wonder what was the rationale for edit in 2008 removing the Alexander middle name, when sources like Encyclopedia Britannica and the Pennsylvania Center for the Book list that as his middle name. In contrast, Mack's autobiography states: "My mother had me christened Cornelius McGillicuddy..." Arbor to SJ (talk) 18:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to re-adding. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


 * According to Norman Macht's exhaustive biography there is no evidence that Mack ever, at any time, used any middle name. Mack's own autobiography does not mention it. Mack's eldest son was baptized "Cornelius McGillicuddy, Junior". What happened was that the son, at his confirmation, took the confirmation name of Saint Alexander, thus becoming "Cornelius Alexander McGillicuddy, Junior". Later writers assumed the "Alexander" was inherited from the father, which it wasn't. Fumblebruschi (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Connie Mack World Series
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