Talk:Conquest of Fadak

It isn't clear to me why this belongs under the "expeditions" or "campaigns". The article says they surrendered without a fight William M. Connolley (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * this is similiar to the Conquest of Mecca, muslim scholars deny any fighting took place in the conquest, but agree that fighting took place after. i think the info box should stay even if no fighting took place, just like the the conquest of mecca page (infobox do have a point, it summarised everything and is concise)--Misconceptions2 (talk) 19:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The infobox has nothing to do with fighting or not. It is simply pointless, since it says nothing that isn't in the lede.

Dodgy refs
I took out http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5GiZqe3tI1gC&pg=PA69 Encyclopaedia of Holy Prophet and Companions, By Shahid Ashraf, pg 69 because it says things like "the hand of god can clearly be seen directing the muslims". That isn't the sort of thing you expect to find in neutral refs William M. Connolley (talk) 20:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * yeh, well its a muslim source :), they all say thigns liek that. but i only used it (if i remember), to justify a name for the title. so can you please add it back at the into and keep it for that cause please. or is that against wiki policy?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah well now you mention it, that was my next question: do you have any reliable source even for the name of this page? There isn't one at the moment? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I also took out List of Battles of Muhammad, because I can't find any ref to Fidak or Fadak in it William M. Connolley (talk) 21:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

And http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/ch6s2.html "The rest of Khaibar also fell to the Muslims. Allâh cast fear into the hearts", Witness-Pioneer.com which looks dubious William M. Connolley (talk) 21:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Well they are muslims, and i think he is referencing a quran verse when he says "allah cast fear into their hearts", and the "list of battles" source spells it fidk--Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Name of this page
I raised this above, but perhaps it deserves its own section: is there any reliable source for even the name of this page? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You removed the only source i used to justify naming it the conquest of fidak. which was this http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5GiZqe3tI1gC&pg=PA69

i think you should not have removed it, as i was not using it to reference the info in the article. but only the title --Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

here is another ref, justifying the name "conquest of fadak"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=qoX2TajlBNOp8QPuoti4Bw&ct=result&id=R4QQAQAAIAAJ&dq=Khaibar

i will also add this ref to justify calling it the conquest of fadak

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RqdcXWARYCQC&pg=PA61

see notes section --Misconceptions2 (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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