Talk:Conrad Hilton/Archive 1

Doh
Well, even though he didn't disinherit people, the charity made in his name will be getting billions because people were disinherited. Heh, brainfart! TheKatK 00:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Disinherited Paris
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22157701-1702,00.html It is unclear in this article if he only disinherited Paris, or if he disinherited everyone in some way. It says he's giving the money from the sales of the hotel chain to charity now, and that "He now doesn't want to leave unearned wealth to his family." but it does not specify that he just cut everyone off. At the least, this entry and Paris' entry will need to be updated. TheKatK 00:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Coming back to add the news article to the above. *blush* TheKatK 00:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

What were conrad hilton's last words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.109.199.93 (talk • contribs)

poor paragraph

 * I think the following paragraph is not really necessary to include in this article:
 * He was a very successful businessman and an example of the prototypical American business tycoon. He ranks along with Henry Ford (mass production; automobiles), J. P. Morgan (finance), John D. Rockefeller (petroleum), Eleuthère Irénée du Pont (armament and chemicals), Walt Disney (entertainment), Howard Hughes (airplanes), Leland Stanford (railroads), Andrew Carnegie (steel), and Washington Duke (tobacco).

I would like to see some feedback from others. --MatthewUND June 28, 2005 07:50 (UTC)


 * I agree, I nuked it. --Golbez June 29, 2005 18:39 (UTC)


 * what were his contribution to the English language?? -- Achin Jain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.56.199.243 (talk • contribs)

San Antonio, Texas was always in Texas. The San Antonio in New Mexico Territory is now in the state of New Mexico. Someone should fix that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.32.163 (talk • contribs)

What about the Conrad Hilton school of Hotel and Restaurant Management at the University of Houston?

no antisemitism
surely overt acts of antisemitism by a "humaitarian" leader are worthy of wiki, following npov: facts are rerported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.137.141 (talk • contribs)

See below for source of this mistake 86.176.175.184 (talk) 20:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Removed section
I removed the following section:

==Antisemitism== See this url, which builds on the experience of Emma Lazarus, well known american poet www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1765836/posts

because it was totally un-encyclopedic in its format. If someone can investigate the reference and make a proper, encyclopedic text if it is ok, then please do so. -- Egil 16:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A quick search of the text at that link reveals no references to Conrad Hilton whatsoever, but rather to a "Judge Henry Hilton". 74.10.73.253 (talk) 19:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

What awards did conrad win

Too Trivial?
Lived on a farm from the beginning of March of '56 to mid March of '56  Is the fact that he lived on a farm for two weeks in the mid-50s remotely worthy of inclusion? He lived in a lot of places. 74.10.73.253 (talk) 19:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed the entire trivia section. --CPAScott (talk) 14:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Scott: You may have (justifiably) removed the trivia section but it is back and more trivial than ever. Mentioning the portrayal of Hilton in 'Mad Men' may or may not be too trivial for this article. (full disclosure: I was drawn to this article because of the fictionalized Hilton in 'Mad Men'). HOWEVER: can anyone justify the following bit of fluff in an encyclopedia article on Conrad Hilton?? :

"In the same episode, Draper gets it on with that jogging schoolteacher, so he still kind of comes out ahead; notably, the pair do not consummate their illicit desire in Hilton Hotels property, suggesting Draper's further estrangement from the Hilton character." -William Malmstrom, Clearwater, FL 24.160.81.4 (talk) 17:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Genealogy
In my opinion, there is too much genealogy in the biography section. Wikipedia is NOT a genealogical database. I suggest this section be restructured to discuss Hilton's importance and notability, not his family tree. --CPAScott (talk) 14:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Conrad Hilton was a very famous person and very successful in business. Giving this information about his background is not out of order. The problem I see is the first paragraph is one unreadable sentence. The information doesn't need to be removed - Wikipedia has lots of room to store it - but it could be further down in the article and it needs to be clearer. Wanderer57 (talk) 14:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Too much bio on his wives!
Looks like some 'royalty lovers' or 'genealogy freaks' have taken over! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 03:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

He never married Elizabeth Taylor, that was his son Nicky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.166.160.103 (talk) 02:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

'Natural causes' is not a cause of death
We have 93-year-old people who go to the gym, and other humans have lived as long as 120. Conrad died from specific causes, whether known or unknown. I wish I could put this in all the articles that use this 'nonsense' term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 04:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

"Natural causes" is used in the sense that he didn't die because his parachute failed to open, or from a zetz im kopf with a sledgehammer. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Not a Norway-related article.
The father of Conrad Hilton maybe Norwegian but that doesn't make the article strongly relevant to Norway. 122.3.107.65 (talk) 23:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Reference on Mad Men
There has been a repeated addition of overly detailed description of the portrayal of Conrad Hilton on the show Mad Men. This has been reverted by three or four editors, each of whom have requested discussion to establish notability and to thereby establish consensus. User: 168.115.59.118, 168.115.218.89 and 168.115.218.139, all of whom track back to computers at a university in Korea, claim "popular demand" they cannot source, refuse to engage in any consensus building and have repeatedly violated WP:3RR. STOP this behavior, discuss and reach consensus, or there will be no choice but to report the IP for edit warring and 3RR violations. Drmargi (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Reference to his portrayal in Mad Men would seem notable - several other biography pages contain sections on references in popular culture. Pexise (talk) 23:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That seems reasonable to me. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 00:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Notability is not the relevant guideline here. The title can be confusing, but the notability guideline has nothing to do with the content of articles. To determine if Hilton's portrayal on Mad Men merits inclusion, consult WP:POPCULTURE (and possibly WP:TRIVIA). —Kevin Myers 01:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * His portrayal warrants discussion simply because he was a famous businessman who becomes an important character in a popular TV series. The lack of discussion is significant in light of this article's failure to say much about his character, personality, and influence. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

It is absolutely ridiculous to include the portrayal of a fictional Conrad Hilton on a television series as part of the real Conrad Hilton's Legacy. Doing so degrades his legacy and does not even fall under the meaning of "legacy." Any such mention belongs in a Trivia or In Popular Culture section that many pages have. Has anyone read the Hilton autobiography? Would an unassuming person gain basic, *factual* knowledge about Hilton solely from the fictional portrayal on Mad Men? Surely not. The show is replete with historical inaccuracies (not that we should be surprised to hear that about a TV show). Therefore mention of this fictional Hilton is rightly placed in an In Popular Culture Section, not in an autobiographic or Legacy section. 108.178.71.201 (talk) 06:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

The above editor simply exudes autism.

The first entry in this section came in 2009. I am writing six years later, in 2015, just after the last episodes of Mad Men have been commemorated for weeks with articles and public events, and even the dedication of a special bench in the lead character Don Draper's honor at Rockefeller Center. Nor will it simply go "off the air" as television events used to. It will exist online in many forms as permanently as any book ever existed in a store or library. Most people, I've read, now prefer to watch television series that way, at their own convenience. As an academic, I read the change in this section with great interest. The portrait of a mid-century businessman, not as powerful as Henry Kaiser or as influential as Henry Luce, dominated episodes that lasted as long as four feature-length motion pictures. (Kaiser and Luce should only be so lucky.) For at least a generation, users will be coming to this encyclopedia entry after seeing that fictionalized character, not after finding a copy somewhere of Conrad Hilton's autobiography, or studying him in business school, if that is still done. Their interest in the fictional character will be the article's use, far above all other uses. By 2015, we need a separate section, title it what you will, to answer their perfectly respectable question, "To what degree was Conrad Hilton really like that character?" Profhum (talk) 16:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Norway Related Article
I have found the following info on - selectsurnames.com/hilton.html - a section titled 'America'. Conrad Hilton's father, Gus Hilton, had arrived from Norway in the 1880's. in Norway the Surname had been Nilsen, but Gus took the name of their farm which was Hilton and used it as a surname. The description is more detailed on the page I got it from so I hope you can find that page. I am sorry that I don't know how to do a hyperlink to that page. Sincerely; RCNesland (talk) 16:02, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Career: hotel's "rooms changed hands three times a day" a double entendre?
Unless this is merely awkward quoting of a source, surely we're supposed to infer that? It does sound like oil boom Texas, and would explain a young man's meteoric rise. Joe Kennedy was the country's leading bootlegger in the same era. Profhum (talk) 08:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * With a little thought, one might easily come to a particular conclusion about the clientele who were inclined to spend such short times occupying his hotel rooms....  I cannot find it within myself to make a less obscure observation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:B83B:CC60:C99C:4057:F56:C06 (talk) 01:32, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

He was not running a traditional hotel. Does nobody dare say the truth that he made the money running a ***** house? Rustygecko (talk) 06:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

conrad at nm school of mines
I know y'all corrected that he went to the nm school of mines - now nm tech. Thanks! A VP of Tech (Van Romero) posted this to an alumni thread - I include as documentation. (btw - he also went to nm military institute - NMMI, but I will let them tell you :^)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NMT70s/permalink/10156971295444050/

The text:

Van Romero: The following should be definitive proof that Conrad Hilton attended The School of Mines in Socorro (he did not graduate but he is definitely an alumnus

First is a quote from "Be My Guest"

“…my two years at the School of Mines helped me to see quickly what the actual problem was – and where the problem is, the answer is.” and “… it is true that you do not use algebraic formulae but in those three small brick buildings at Socorro I found higher mathematics the best possible exercise for developing the mental muscles necessary to this process” Conrad Hilton, “Be My Guest”

Second is a picture of Conrad on the School of Mines baseball team He is in the top row second from the left

(Not sure how to add the picture. see the FB entry for the picture.) link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1947342638642250&set=p.1947342638642250&type=3&ifg=1 Also available through nmt.edu

bandit@cruzio.com 2601:249:1780:1CF5:9DD2:5FBD:BB1C:52E4 (talk) 01:41, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

He went to Texas with the intention of buying a bank.
Buying banks requires substantial capital. There is no indication of how he made his money. From where did the capital to buy a bank come? Rustygecko (talk) 06:33, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * He may have had the intention to buy a bank, but he never actually did. It looks like the source of this statement comes from published works which are not immediately available online. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 06:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)