Talk:Conservation and restoration of shipwreck artifacts

Hi Orlando,

I really enjoyed your article on Textile Conservators! There are a few very minor grammatical issues that could be cleaned up, but overall it is well-written and comprehensive. You used links to other articles very effectively--I especially liked the link to Inherent Vice. I also liked the way you broke up the article with the varying hierarchies for different sections. Your citations are relevant and consistently formatted, and you included a great lead paragraph that nicely summarizes what textile conservators do. One topic you could consider adding to the article is how the role of a Textile Conservator fits in relation to other conservators in the same institution--i.e., paintings conservators. Is there overlap between various specialties, does it depend on the institution? It might be helpful to explain that in smaller institutions, a conservator would probably need to be proficient in multiple specialties, but in larger organizations, there could easily be multiple conservators for each specialty. Overall, excellent job on the article! Crystal Stein (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Orlando, This was a very clear and concise breakdown of the fundamentals of being and becoming a Textile Conservator. I really enjoyed that you chose this type of conservator as I feel they are not mentioned enough. The bullet listing of skills needed are valid and easy to follow and your references are well suited for this entry. A suggestion would be that, perhaps, address the other types of educational background that one could hold in order to be a textile conservator. There are many professionals in this particular field that do not have a Masters in Textile Conservation and have not taken courses in chemistry. Could one become a conservator through experience and skill set? It may also be a nice point to make that textile conservators at smaller museums address projects in a different manner than those at a larger museum. Overall a very nice description!! JH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefashiongeek 9000 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Orlando, What a unique and fascinating topic, I love it! You did a great job on the outline. I like that you are planning on including some background information on shipwrecks and marine archaeology in general and providing links to those respective Wikipedia pages. That will be very helpful. And your external links section is awesome, very detailed! I also like the way you have broken down the conservation of shipwreck artifacts by material type-- that seems like a logical way to present the topic. What is the "conservation basics" section for? Do you mean like the core aspects of conservation? Since you have the section, "conservation basics of shipwrecks" below that, maybe you could just combine the two and use links to other pages to include more general conservation information, instead of including all that information on this page? I think you've found some excellent resources, I don't really have anything to add. As far as suggestions for other things to include, I really like Joanne's idea of including some case studies or details on specific shipwreck projects conservators have worked on or are currently working on. That would be really interesting. Overall, you have an excellent outline. Can't wait to read the final article! Crystal Stein (talk) 20:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Orlando, This is such an intriguing topic! I hadn't even considered that shipwrecks required conservation previously--I'm sure the conservation process is quite complicated. Will the "Conservation Basics" section include the different types of objects typically found in a shipwreck? Also, will your sections include subsections, and if so, what will they be? I like how in the next section, "Conservation Basics of Shipwreck Artifacts by Material Type" you list all the different types of materials typically found in a shipwreck, and then you will list the basics of how to conserve these different materials. As others have already suggested, it would be helpful to include case studies and/or specific project completed or currently being worked on, if you can find them. Also, as you write your article, I would suggest linking to other Wikipedia articles, if applicable. I like your "See Also" section--good call on including "Maritime Archeology" there. The "External Links" section is very extensive, and very useful. You have a good list of references, and I appreciate that there is a mix of online and book references. With Wikipedia, it seems like online references are more useful, as not everyone reading the article will have the books on hand. Overall, your outline is well done, and well researched. Looking forward to reading the final article! Reviewed by Marie Angel 4/21/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MHAngel (talk • contribs) 22:06, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, SFrontanes and I are working to update the structure and references for the conservation and restoration of shipwreck artifacts article. Please see the following outline we will use below.

Structure - Proposed Edits Create a background section for the conservation of freshwater shipwreck artifacts Discuss how chemical reactions and mineral composition can affect artifacts recovered a freshwater environment Edit the background section for the conservation of saltwater shipwreck artifacts Discuss how salt concretion, mineral composition and chemical reactions can affect artifacts recovered from a saltwater environment Include best practice methods for desalination of artifacts Edit the existing Impregnation sub section under the Wood section Provide detailed information to better explain the process of Impregnation Include examples of how the process of impregnation has been implemented (i.e. Vasa Warship, Danish Skuldelev Viking Ship, Mary Rose) Include a picture of the Vasa Warship and create a wiki link to the Vasa’s Wikipedia page (Vasa (ship) - Wikipedia) Expand on and edit some of the sections within the article Background section Shipwreck section Include scuttling as a cause for a shipwreck Maritime archaeology section Include archaeological shipwreck surveys Material sections Include subsection on electrolysis Include wiki link to Wikipedia page for Electrolysis (Electrolysis - Wikipedia) Include a section on the Agents of Deterioration Brief summary introduction/explanation of the agents of deterioration Description how agents of deterioration affect shipwreck artifacts How conservators combat the agents of deterioration to preserve shipwreck artifacts Include a wiki link to the Agents of Deterioration Wikipedia page (Agents of deterioration - Wikipedia) Include a section concerning the importance of provenience in shipwreck artifacts Why it is important where the shipwreck/artifacts are located and recovered from Who owns/lays claim to recovered shipwreck artifacts Discuss briefly UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage Include a wiki link to the UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the Underwater Cultural Heritage Wikipedia page (UNESCO Convention on the Protection of the        Underwater Cultural Heritage - Wikipedia) Provide examples of countries laying claim to shipwrecks and their treasures The Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc and the Mercedes Shipwreck San Jose Shipwreck Debacle Create wiki link to San Jose Wikipedia page (Spanish galleon San José - Wikipedia) Include a section on the abandoned property laws and shipwreck sanctuaries Artifacts are to remain at the site and not be disturbed Create a section to discuss the Restoration of shipwreck artifacts Add a section on the use of shipwreck artifacts to tell meaningful stories Shipwrecks are commonly viewed as frozen moments in time and how this helps us to better understand the past Include a picture from McGeevy article to show how shipwrecks can be preserved underwater Include a section on the utilization of modern technological practices on shipwreck artifacts 3D printing Photogrammetry Add a section on how climate change impacts shipwrecks and their artifacts

Thanks! Dhoffm27 (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

== Hello, Dhoffm27 and I are incorporating some additional references to expand upon the information provided on the conservation and restoration of shipwreck artifacts. Please see the below list of references. ==

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BBC News. (2010, December 6). New species of bacteria found in Titanic ‘rusticles.’ Retrieved April 21, 2022, from New species of bacteria found in Titanic 'rusticles' - BBC NewsSFrontanes (talk) 21:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

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BBC News. (2009, June 4). Spain awarded shipwreck treasure. Retrieved April 27, 2022, from BBC NEWS | Americas | Spain awarded shipwreck treasure

Canadian Conservation Institute. (2017). Agents of Deterioration. Retrieved on March 26, 2022, from Agents of deterioration - Canada.ca

Conserve o gram - NPS. (n.d.). Retrieved April 27, 2022, from https://www.nps.gov/museum/publications/conserveogram/06-02.pdf

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Mortenson, M., Egsgaard, H., Hvilsted, S., Shashoua, Y. and Glastrup, J. (2007, August). Characterisation of the polyethylene glycol impregnation of the vasa warship and one danish skuldelev viking ship. Journal of Archaeological Science, 34. Retrieved April 26, 2022, from Characterisation of the polyethylene glycol impregnation of the Swedish warship Vasa and one of the Danish Skuldelev Viking ships - ScienceDirect

Museums Australia (Victoria). (n.d.). Information sheet: Caring for shipwreck artifacts in museums. Retrieved April 20, 2022, from Microsoft Word - Shipwreck Conservation Factsheet MMAPSS.doc (amagavic.org.au)

St. Augustine Lighthouse & Maritime Museum (2012, August 9). Cleaning shipwreck artifacts at the lighthouse. Retrieved March 28, 2021, from https://www.staugustinelighthouse.org/2012/08/09/cleaning-shipwreck-artifacts-at-the-lighthouse/

Storch, P. (1997, January). Taking care of wet archaeological artifacts: Archaeology at freshwater sites. Retrieved April 21, 2022, from techtalkjanuary1997.pdf (mnhs.org)

Texas A&M University. (n.d.). Overview of conservation in archaeology: The role of conservation in marine archaeology. Retrieved April 27, 2022, from Overview of conservation in archaeology; basic archaeological conservation procedures - Conservation Manual - Conservation Research Laboratory - Center for Maritime Archaeology and Conservation - Texas A&M University (tamu.edu)

Texas A&M University. (n.d.). Wood conservation. Retrieved April 27, 2022, from Wood Conservation - Conservation Manual - Conservation Research Laboratory - Center for Maritime Archaeology and Conservation - Texas A&M University (tamu.edu)

Vasa Museet. (2021). Preserving Vasa. Retrieved April 27, 2022, from Preserving the Vasa ship is an ongoing research project. (vasamuseet.se)

Watson, S. (2020, November 2). How scientists keep ancient shipwrecks from crumbling into dust. Retrieved April 21, 2022, from How scientists keep ancient shipwrecks from crumbling into dust (popsci.com)

Thank you so much! SFrontanes (talk) 21:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)