Talk:Conservation issues of Pompeii and Herculaneum

Stabiae and the Villa Poppaea
Seeing as both Stabiae and the Villa Poppaea are part of the Vesuvius National Park, are under the control of the same governing body of Pompeii and Herculaneum, and suffer from similar problems, I would love to expand this article to include them. However, I have very little knowledge on these sites and even less on the conservation aspects of them, so if anyone could help me out, it would be much appreciated! Lord Pheasant 23:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Move
Wouldn't a more appropriate title be Conservation Issues of Pomeii and Herculaneum? Atropos 06:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably, but I'd hold out on changing it untill information from Stabiae and the villa poppaea is added so we don't have to do it twice. --Lord Pheasant 22:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey - do you have any references for the information you've posted on thie conservation page? I'm trying to write an essay on this very subject and if you had any references you really could save my life. Cheers

Early Excavations
This article reports the widely circulated myth of the destructiveness of the early excavations. In truth, the early archeology was incredibly precise, to the point where Rocco Gioacchino de Alcubierre and his team recorded absolutely every artifact's original location, with precise dating and mapping of the early sites. The myth of their destructiveness was circulated by a notable scholar who was disgruntled because he was not allowed into the site. For example, the infamous bronze letters were not pried off of some structure, but found scattered across the whole city. While it is true that de Alcubierre was primarily sent to gather items, his work created the precise methodology of modern archeology, and slander of his notable achievements should not be reprinted as fact.

To correct this monumental error would require the total revision of the section, so I post my reasons here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.32.67.206 (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

loss of quality and clarity from flash photography
As soon as I read the claim in this article that "Flash photography also causes a slow decline in the quality and clarity of paintings", the bullshit detectors started going off. A typical photo-flash has millisecond, or less, duration. You would need tens of thousands, or more, per day to equal even a single second of 'normal' illumination. A quick check at google shows that at least one person has asked the same thing:

http://www.iconoduel.org/archives/2005/01/000555_flash_bulbs_and_artifact_preservation_myth_debunked.php

and he quotes an argument, from someone who appears to do conversation work, the position is indeed without merit:

http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/1996/0724.html

So I'm asking someone to document the claims being made in this article. mdf 16:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems likely that the intensity of the UV rays from the flash have some effect in terms of lessening colour and longevity... ie. they are a little damaging, but realistically it is over a long period of time with mant many thousands of flashes until any discernible effect at all can be seen. Tests have been conducted by the National gallery in 1995, and conclusively found that over a period of a few months, with a flash going off every 6 seconds, there was a visible difference, if small. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.245.152.186 (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This article is not a good one for discussing whether modern flash photography can damage artifacts. Perhaps older flash systems, with longer illumination, higher levels of lumens, and designed for less sensitive films have had adverse effects, which would give rise to the concern/myth. No matter what, the particular sentence has been removed as unsourced. – S. Rich (talk) 03:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Conservation or elitism?
The article makes the assumption that Pompeii etc should be preserved. Why? Pompeii was a town that belonged to the people who lived there. Does it really need to be picked over and preserved to an infinite degree by 'specialists'? The city belongs to everyone. Not just an elite few who can pore over findings in a bubble. If it must gradually be lost - so be it. 213.114.44.178 (talk) 17:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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