Talk:Conservatism in India

Shiv Sena and the limits of conservatism
So this article has suffered from bad quality material for years, relying solely on WP:OR. Most of the entities listed has little or nothing to do with conservatism. Now the problem is that there is difference between a conservative party and that people in politics might have a conservative mindset (just like 'liberal' was multiple meanings). Take Shiv Sena, a not-at-all conservative party. The refs "Like Mann Ki Baat and Chai Pe Charcha, Shiv Sena starts branding its public interactions" and "No chance for young blood? Shiv Sena has bet on ageing war horses, say analysts" does not seem to be using 'conservative' as in 'conservatism'. Soman (talk) 00:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Conservatism is not necessarily an ideology that supports the status quo. Conservatism is also associated with advocacy or hierarchy of economic and social inequality. A similar case to India is Japan's conservatism, in which J-liberals advocate a lot of constitutional and institutional traditions, and J-conservatives want to make nationalistic changes. Mureungdowon (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. What I'm trying to say is that 'conservative' has multiple meanings, see https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conservative. Saying that a politician is 'conservative' doesn't necessarily mean he/she is a follower of conservatism it might just be indication that he/she is cautious or hesitant in some respect. For this reason, we need a higher bar for inclusion in this article. But the main problem is that we have nothing in this article that talks about Conservatism in India, just a random WP:OR listing. --Soman (talk) 01:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Since BJP and Sive Sena is a right-wing party and a Hindu-based nationalist party, it can be said that it has a political conservative identity. Mureungdowon (talk) 01:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a way too broad definition of 'conservatism' for it to have any meaningful meaning for the sake of this article. --Soman (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Article on BJP and conservatism
This article gives insight on the problem with branding BJP as 'conservative' : https://thediplomat.com/2018/12/the-temple-guardians-is-india-ruling-bjp-becoming-more-conservative/ ... in short, you can consider BJP as conservative, but it requires you to focus on certain aspects of the party and ignore others. ("Thus, the BJP can be both nationalist and conservative with regard to some aspects, and nationalist against conservatism in other regards – but at the end of the day, it is nationalism that matters more. The BJP’s ship is not entering the waters of conservatism more than it did before, nor is it steering away from them. It keeps navigating its zig-zagging course.") Soman (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is the same with the Japanese LDPJ. Young people in Japan think the LDPJ is younger, more open, and more reformative. Rather, CDPJ advocates old stamp culture and emphasizes traditional Japanese culture. However, conservatism is also associated with inequality, as shown in the Conservatism article. Mureungdowon (talk) 01:12, 25 April 2023 (UTC)