Talk:Consolidated P-30

this entire article is plagiarized
This entire article is plagiarized, nearly word for word, from pp74-76 of jones, us fighters army air force 1925 to 1980s, aero publishers inc.

While a few things have been added, the core plagarism is very clear. The article should be deleted and rewritten in a non infringing way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.12.110 (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I cannot see any plagarism or close paraphase myself.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion of this here.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:43, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite sure, and so sure that I'm wondering if you're looking at the same book. I dont have the book in front of me here, but I was referring to a copy that I believe to be from the 1970s (perhaps there have been revision)? I read about the P-30 there then went to wiki for additional info and was surprised to find the very very very close similarity, including entire sentences and multi-sentence segments lifted wholesale from the book and/or provided with trivial modifications. If you'd like, I can find the book and scan it. I haven't looked at other aircraft and so it's probably not right for me to speculate, but I kind of suspect we'd find many other examples of this for other older aircraft. Amazingly, Jones is not even cited in the references, which hints at a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. (I assume Jones is a primary source here). 86.26.12.110 (talk) 10:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)