Talk:Consumer-driven healthcare

This article might as well be completely blanked out, considering its lack of citations, and the lack of anything resembling factual information. Information cited in the HSA article directly contradicts some of the uncited statements in here. SiberioS 17:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
RESULT: Virtually no comment on either talk page, with one supporting comment, in nearly a week. Therefore, I am proceeding with the merge. -- Sfmammamia 19:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I am proposing that the article Consumer driven health plan be merged here. Both articles seem to cover the same topic, the "plan" article is basically a stub, and this article appears to be developing a more full discussion around the topic. Any concerns or objections? -- Sfmammamia 19:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems like a good idea to me. There's nothing in "plan" that isn't repeated here, and there's a Wikipedia rule somewhere against having articles with similar headings. Nbauman 00:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted quotation.
Unless we have a "pro" quotation, a substantive one, I do not feel it's appropriate to have an "anti" quote. --Rotten 07:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * So go find a "pro" quotation, if you can.


 * Under WP rules, you can add a quotation, or a response, but you can't just delete something because you don't agree with it.


 * I think your problem is that most RS and health care experts think that consumer driven health care is a bad idea. So most RS opinion is going to be against it. Nbauman 10:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nonsense, the quotation is unnecessary. I censored nothing, there is plenty of mention that not everyone is for it. Your problem is that you cannot flog an anti CDHC/HSA agenda, which seems to be on the table as an issue. Your excessive quoting adds unnecessary length to all the articles.--Rotten 10:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Bush actually explained it more clearly than Goodman. What does it mean that "consumers occupy the primary decision-making role regarding the health care they receive"? That's buzzword nonsense. Bush says that the free market is better than government control. "The best way to empower citizens is to let them save and spend their health care dollars as they see fit." At least you know what he's talking about. But you can use whatever quote you want. Nbauman 12:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems perfectly clear to me.--Rotten 15:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I would submit that a quote from a politician is anathema to Wikipedia unless the article is about politics.ScottRBell1 (talk) 17:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Request for Cleanup Regarding Debate Style
I added the template to the article because I believe the article's tone or style sounds more like a debate than an encyclopedia. The article generally follows a back-and-forth pattern that focuses on cataloging arguments for and against consumer-driven health care, instead of focusing on telling about consumer-driven health care itself.

Here are a couple of examples that show why it sounds so debate-like. As of the current revision, I count 2 uses of the word critics and 4 uses of the word proponents, all but one of which are the subject of "have pointed to", "argue", or "counter". Also, paragraphs beginning with what could have been weasel words (if they'd lacked a supporting quotation) are often rebuttals to the previous paragraph. (Such as the sentence, "Some policy analysts say that consumer satisfaction doesn't reflect quality of health care." in the Consumer Satisfaction section.)

I arrived at the article from a redirect of Consumer Driven Health Plan, attempting to learn what a CDHP was. I discovered an article instead filled with commentary about whether or not consumer-driven health care works. The few mentions of CDHPs were either in arguments or a historical description about why they were developed. My best efforts produced an inference that the term CDHP is probably a synonym for high-deductible health plan. I realize that's probably an issue with where the redirect should land, but my experience demonstrates the difficulty posed by the article's current focus.

Firefeather (talk) 01:30, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. I would even go so far as to submit that this entire article be removed. An encyclopaedia should not render opinions, even if balanced, but should only enlighten and elucidate. This page should only explain what a CDHP is. There is always an external links section if one desires to direct the reader to informed debate. I too came here trying to find out what a CDHP actually was and what defines and drives it only to find as did Firefeather, that this is just a page designed to iterate a debate -- and a biased one at that. I am making a serious suggestion that this page be removed or hidden until it can be rewritten as an actual encyclopaedia page. Pages like this are why Wikipedia is not and may never be taken seriously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottRBell1 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

"Third tier"
Lede:
 * Consumer-driven health care :(CDHC), defined narrowly, refers to third tier health insurance plans that allow members to use health savings accounts (HSAs), Health Reimbursement Accounts (HRAs), or similar medical payment products to pay routine health care expenses directly, while a high-deductible health plan (HDHP) protects them from catastrophic medical expenses.

What does "Third tier" mean? --Thnidu (talk) 07:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC) Thnidu (talk) 07:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Ziebarth's comment on this article
Dr. Ziebarth has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:

"Could mention that the health care system in Singapore is based on health savings accounts and regularly ranks very highly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/press/books/2013/affordableexcellence/affordableexcellencepdf.pdf

https://theconversation.com/creating-a-better-health-system-lessons-from-singapore-30607"

We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.

We believe Dr. Ziebarth has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:


 * Reference : Hendrik Schmitz & Nicolas R. Ziebarth, 2011. "In Absolute or Relative Terms?: How Framing Prices Affects the Consumer Price Sensitivity of Health Plan Choice," SOEPpapers on Multidisciplinary Panel Data Research 423, DIW Berlin, The German Socio-Economic Panel (SOEP).

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