Talk:Continental Airlines/Archive 2

History of Continental Airlines
For whoever created "History Of Continental Airlines", I do not think it is needed. We can do what we did with the DL/NW merger. Change the page to reflect past tense, and leave a perfectly good article alone. Tofutwitch11 - Chat - How'd I do?   22:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. The new name is United Airlines. Convert this article to past tense and leave it be. We're doing the same thing with Midwest Airlines.  N419 BH  04:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, we did the same for Northwest Airlines when it merged with Delta. The name of the combined carrier is called "United" and Continental will be defunct (expect the operating certificate which will use UA name) and this article should be poast tense when the merge is complete. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:20, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Ending Emirates stuff
See: WhisperToMe (talk) 17:44, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "Emirates." Continental Airlines.

TWA first US 747 domestic operator
I am pretty sure TWA beat CO to the 747 on US domestic routes, so I will change article to reflect this. A TWA history link states: "February 25, 1970: Inauguration of 747 scheduled service nonstop from Los Angeles to New York. TWA first to launch 747 in U.S." This is four months before the date listed in this article for CO. This is confirmed in an April 26, 1970 TWA timetable I have: ref: (page 16, flight 1 New York-Los Angeles 747 Daily), one of many 747 domestic flights in this timetable. Additional references:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40168621@N07/4794140880/

http://aerocinema.com/privacy-policy/day/details/72-boeing-747-service-from-la-to-ny.html

http://twasilverwings-kc.com/htdocs/TWA_historypage2.htm

Chris Chris874664 (talk) 02:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

CO Magazine
The URL is at http://magazine.continental.com/201101-home

Soon it will be replaced by Hemispheres WhisperToMe (talk) 07:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Route maps
Listing of route maps WhisperToMe (talk) 03:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.continental.com/CMS/ContinentalDocuments/pdfs/route-maps/co-us_201012.pdf
 * http://www.continental.com/CMS/ContinentalDocuments/pdfs/route-maps/co-world_201012.pdf

Service to Lagos, Nigeria
Is Continental still planning on launching this route? I couldn't find any nonstop flights from Houston to Lagos on November 10th or after. Do you think they postponed this route (like Auckland) due to the 787 delay or they have shelved it completely? Snoozlepet (talk) 04:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's still in the works according to this: Postoak (talk) 04:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

You can also book on the Continental website: Nonstop flights from $1,770 from $1,770 Lowest Fare Depart: 7:05 p.m. Mon., Dec. 12, 2011 Houston, TX (IAH - Intercontinental) Arrive: 1:40 p.m. +1 Day Tue., Dec. 13, 2011 Lagos, Nigeria (LOS)

Travel Time: 11 hr 35 mn OnePass Miles/ Elite Qualification*: 6,512 /100% 	Flight: CO142 Aircraft: Boeing 777-200ER Fare Class: Economy (S) Meal: Dinner No Special Meal Offered. See On-Time Performance CO142 IAH - LOS There is currently no on-time performance information available for this flight. View Seats
 * Thanks. It appears the launch date was pushed back from November 10 to November 16. Snoozlepet (talk) 06:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Article on Lagos flight
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Adedoja, Tokunbo. "Continental Airline {sic} Holds Inaugural Flight to Lagos Next Week." Thisday.

Edit Request from Snoozlepet

 * Airline's call sign and ICAO is now UNITED and UAL. COA and CONTINENTAL should be striked out. Snoozlepet (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, but shouldn't the IATA code also be stuck out, and replaced with UA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14940674md (talk • contribs) 02:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the IATA code CO will still be in use until reservation/computer systems merge. Snoozlepet (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would maybe it should be kept for historical purposes? --JetBlast (talk) 02:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We can temporarily strike out the COA ICAO code and call sign CONTINENTAL until their computer systems are combined with UA. After that, the Continental article needs to kept historical. That means all pre-merger stuff in the infobox should be retained. Snoozlepet (talk) 04:31, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Dont think we should change it to United the airline is clearly defunct and should really stay with Continental data and regarded as a historic article. We dont have to follow every small legal changes they can be covered in the United article. MilborneOne (talk) 12:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done for now: Please reactivate the request if you reach agreement about exactly what needs to change. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Continental has not ceased to exist on 2011-11-30
As we have seen in past US airline mergers, each merger is consisted of several major milestones, and these events do not happen in the same order. For example, Delta and Northwest merged their lounges on 2009-06-01 (IIRC), FFPs on 2009-10-01, obtained SOC on 2009-12-31. Finally, ATC callsigns and reservation systems were merged on 2010-01-30, the same day as the websites. The SOC didn't mean everything.

Here we are, in this United-Continental merger, their lounges were merged on 2011-10-01, obtained SOC and retained CO callsigns on 2011-11-30, However, FFPs are scheduled to merge 2012-01-01, and their single "passenger service system" is targeted for 2012Q1 (rumored to be March).

In the HP-US merger, there was even a period of time when the scope says USA but controllers said "CACTUS".

All these mean that we should not focus on one event (like today's) and should include several aspects, and treat the retiring company name/branding as merged when the last of these aspects disappears. In my opinion, these aspects should be ground operations, air operations (operating certificate, callsign and aircraft manuals), reservation and branding. Not to be included are be the FFP, lounges, crew and labor union divisions.

Also, pre-merger infobox information should be retained, with transitional information added temporarily. This includes strikeout fonts for codes/callsign, old FFP/lounge in regular fonts with new/current post merger names and dates in parentheses. All these based on a principle that we should not have to double revert when the whole merger is finished. HkCaGu (talk) 03:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

While these are all good points, the fact remains that from the perspective of ICAO and ATC, Continental no longer exists, and the edit proposed above, to use the strikeout font on the callsign and COA, should be heeded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14940674md (talk • contribs) 05:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Just to repeat my comment from above I Dont think we should change it to United the airline is clearly defunct and should really stay with Continental data and regarded as a historic article. MilborneOne (talk) 12:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request from JetBlast - 1 December 2011
Please can you remove the Continental Airlines Flight 697 incident from the article. It is not notable as per AIRCRASH. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 09:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Done MilborneOne (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request from Cali4529
The Edit Notice needs to be changed because it is now defunct. Cali4529 (talk)


 * I deleted the editnotice, but given that the dispute over the company's operating status is still open I've undeleted. The editnotice should be deleted again once there's consensus that the dispute is closed. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no depute. Majority now agrees that Continental is now defunct. Cali4529 (talk) 20:07, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Single Operating Certificate achieved
Since a single operating certificate will be achieved soon according to this article http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20111129/NEWS10/111129830/united-continental-get-fed-nod-to-operate-as-single-carrier, should the ceased operations date be November 30, 2011 (when UA gets the merged certificate) or when the CO code, website, frequent flyer program, etc disappears (apparently all those have not ceased to exist yet)? Snoozlepet (talk) 05:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The flights may be legally operated by United starting later today, but as long as branding is separate, CO still exists. We can use strikeout font on the ICAO Code and Call Sign, but the IATA code will remain in use for a while. And in line with NWA/DAL, we should not call 2011-11-30 "cease of operations". HkCaGu (talk) 08:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And while the last COA departure will take place at about 9 am EST, the last COA flight is not expected to touch down until about 6 pm EST. HkCaGu (talk) 09:18, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That last flight is Continental Flight 86, PVG-EWR, and is expected to land around 5:30 pm. After that landing, can we remove the Continental call sign, IATA, and ICAO codes from this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.174.231 (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As of Hk said, use the strikeout font for the ICAO and Callsign now but when the CO branding completely disappears, then the article is to be kept historical. Snoozlepet (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is this article blocked from editing? Also, in the intro paragraph, should I also use the strikeout font, or is that only for the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14940674md (talk • contribs) 22:42, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This article is blocked from editing because of a content dispute whether or not if Continental has "officially" ceased operations. I suggest continuing this conservation if anyone have problems. Snoozlepet (talk) 00:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What about all the data on airport wiki pages? When should they all be changed to 'United' operated flights? They are technically operated by United and not Continental anymore.Bthebest (talk) 20:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

slogan makes article look like an ad???
Shouldn't the slogan, "work hard, fly right" be moved elsewhere in the article? The first paragraph is an important summary. It would be as if the Obama article had the sentence, "Vote for Obama 2008!" in the introductory paragraph.
 * AFAIK we always have slogans in infoboxes. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

New sources
WhisperToMe (talk) 05:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wang, R. "Ray" "Best Practices: From First To Worst - Continental In A Post United World, Lessons In Next Gen Customer Experience." Forbes. March 2, 2012.

Last operation date
Single operating certificates were combined on November 30, 2011 but the Continental name/brand, IATA code, reservation systems (basically passenger services) continued to be used. Also, the date for the "ceased operations" was changed to March 3, 2012 in which the Continental name/brand and code disappeared. So is the date November 30, 2011 or March 2, 2012 for last operation date? Snoozlepet (talk) 06:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's over the weekend, it's March 3. Plenty of operations lasted into March 3, even some departures on March 3. HkCaGu (talk) 15:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * How can March 2 or 3 be the last operation date if the single operating certificate was issued in November 2011. The Continental brand may have existed but officially the airline ceased to exist when its operating certificate was merged - this is the standard Wikipedia has used for other airlines in order to adhere to WP policy so why is it different for Continental/United. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.25.227 (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * SOC, but so what? It just happened that UAL/COA changed callsigns on the same day as SOC. NWA lasted a whole month after SOC and TRS still continues to be used. HkCaGu (talk) 08:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Old ticket offices
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070225130645/http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/Contact/reservations/cto/default.aspx? has those in Houston, NYC, NJ, and Hawaii
 * Yamanouchi, Kelly. "Continental Airlines closes Denver ticket office." The Denver Post at Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News. September 29, 2004. - says "The office on California Street near the 16th Street Mall [...]"
 * http://recenter.tamu.edu/newstalk/newstalkSearch.asp?CID=17271 - http://www.webcitation.org/6CMCwNppt
 * http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/continental-onepass-pre-merger/45394-continental-airlines-add-service-fee-city-ticket-office-transactions.html mentions more CTOs

Lorenzo Merger
The article is missing the startup of New York Air, which Lorenzo started as part of his rivalry with People Express. It was later folded into Continental.

This article does not even mention the takeover of Eastern. Instead, only refers to it in discussion of the One Pass frequent flyer program shared with Continental. This is incorrect. Eastern created the One Pass program and like other assets, Lorenzo stole them and gave them to Continental outright or at terms unfavorable to Eastern. These included Airbus A300 aircraft, One Pass liability remained on Eastern books, System One Direct Accesss of "SODA" Eastern's reservation system was given to Continental and their content was displayed to travel agents ahead of Eastern schedules and fares. What's more, the article says Lorenzo retired which is incorrect. He was thrown out by the courts and is forbidden to own or manage a commercial airline. Get your facts straight because your blatant omission of these facts gives your article a very soft and sympathetic view towards how Continental survived and how it was managed into the ground by a mad man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.87.170.126 (talk) 23:49, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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