Talk:Continental Motors Company

Merge

 * I disagree with this proposed merger. Stude62 13:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why? Jlittlet 20:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Note: The above appears to be a discussion about an old proposal to merge the Continental article w/the De Vaux article, or perhaps De Vaux Continental (article about the car produced by Continental when it took over some De Vaux assets) with De Vaux. This may have taken place at a time when this was a stub article about the De Vaux Continental car, before the article was expanded into a full description of the corporation. That fuller article later had a large focus on its aircraft engine division, whose operation continued after the car engine company folded. Aircraft nuts split the article, with the original article space now appearing as Teledyne Continental Motors, with car engine/car information removed to this article. When the original article space was renamed, the old name was turned into a disambig page for this article and the aircraft engine company article. The original stub version of this article (about the car) sort of lives on: its text is that of the stub article for the De Vaux Continental car, and a separate stub lives on as a description of the original De Vaux car/car company. Confusing? Yes! Dovid (talk) 06:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Source for the lists
The source for the lists of cars and trucks that used Continental engines seems to be sourced entirely to a blog post. Is there a more authoritative source for this information, perhaps one that can be used to aid in determining which company is intended where several have the same name? bd2412 T 22:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I started checking that - and things became even more complicated. In fact, Continental Motors did not build automobiles itself; it bought the De Vaux-Hall Motors Co. with the right on the De Vaux name and the Michigan assets of the company (the plant belonged to Hayes and was leased by De Vaux). Then, this company built the Continental-De Vaux between February and November, 1932. It used the Continental 32-A L-head straight 6 engine. It had a displacement of 214.7 ci delivering 84HP @ 3400 rpm instead of the Hall engine used in the original De Vaux. When it failed, too, the company was renamed the Continental Automobile Company in November, 1932. So it is clear that not Continental Motors but it's subsidiary, the Continental Automobile Co., was the car manufacturer.


 * As I didn't know how to fix that otherwise, I opened the article Continental Automobile Company and changed the links in this article, correspondingly. I think this a reasonable treatment as th De Vaux and the De Vaux-Continental already have their article. I did not change the content of this article as it still fits.


 * Source: Kimes, Beverly Rae (editor) and Clark, Henry Austin, jr. ;”The Standard Catalogue of American Cars”, 2. edition, Krause Publications, Iola WI 54990, USA (1985), ISBN 0-87341-111-0,p. 357 and 431-431. --Chief tin cloud (talk) 15:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Errors
This article clearly is in need of help:


 * 1) Cleanup. If the above mentioned merger meant to put together Continental Motors Company and the Continental car, it was in fact ill-advised: This article is simply wrong as it is presently. As written above some time ago, Continental Motors Company never (I really mean: never) built automobiles of any kind. So, here we have clearly a discrepancy between lemma and content.
 * 2) Outsourcing. It's subsidiary, the Continental Automobile Company and it's ancestors in fact built automobiles: They made the Continental cars in 1933-1934. Nobody would describe Chevrolet models under a General Motors lemma but that's exactly what happened here. At least partially, as the first part of the car story is well described elsewere - correctly in the De Vaux Continental, and only the continuation is here, were it does not belong. Continental Automobile Company would be the correct lemma for that part of the story.

Which in short goes like this: When Durant Motors failed, Norman De Vaux and Elbert J. Hall (a co-founder of the Hall-Scott Motor Company) bought out Durant and installed the De Vaux Motors Company in Grand Rapids MI. They gave the Durant Six a facelift (cleverly done by Alexis de Sakhnoffsky) and a Hall-Scott Six. This car was the 1931 De Vaux 6/70 (sometimes described as the "6/75"). It failed soon, and the owners were forced to sell. Continental Motors Company bought the whole company, switched again the engine (back to one of their own) and sold that car as the 1931 Continental-De Vaux 6/80. So, we still have an automobile built by the De Vaux Motors Company which by now stood under new ownership.

When the Continental-De Vaux failed, too, the De Vaux Motors Company was renamed again as the Continental Automobile Company, still in Grand Rapids and Oakland. The car was worked over once more, but it basically still was the Durant. The initial model got a facelift and a slight wheelbase increase and became the Continental Ace. A cheaper variant was the Continental Flyer which got the same treatment, but on a shorter wheelbase and with a smaller six. At last, there was the still smaller Beacon, with a four cylinder engine. It became the only model available for 1934. After that. production of the Continental car ended. Continental Motors closed their Continental Automobile Company subsidiary, and Norman De Vaux bought the remaining tooling (possibly with the Oakland plant) to build a facelifted Beacon as a De Vaux 4/44, and later as the De-Vo. Both were stillborn.

Please, also check my lists on Talk:De Vaux Continental; they are derived and translated from my work for the German WP article. There are enough good sources to proof this facts. This is my last attempt to get things corrected; I gladly will contribute on the correct page to fix the story of these under-estimated cars; research work in fact has already been done for German WP.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 15:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

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Usage
Not just tractors on the farm. We had a pull-type combine made by Gleaner Manufacturing Company powered by an in-line 4 cylinder Continental. :) 2001:56A:FA85:3800:6DC5:EEA3:DC7D:1D0F (talk) 04:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

When did it disappear?
The open says: Continental Motors Company was an American manufacturer of internal combustion engines.

The article says that the company originated in 1905. When was it defunct?