Talk:Continuing Anglican movement

Unity Talks
There has been a conference on unity held in Canada this past summer, and one will be held next week somewhere in the Northeast. Also, the recent Anglican Catholic Church General Synod had the Presiding Bishops of the Anglican Province of America, the Anglican Church in America, and the United Episcopal Church of North America present. This should be summarized by someone and placed in this article as an update. Shadowmane (talk) 02:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Ordinariat
I believe too much is being made of this, considering the bulk of the Continuing Anglican churches are openly rejecting the Apostolic Constitution. In fact, the only church considering it is the Traditional Anglican Church. That church isn't even the largest of the Continuing Anglican Churches, though they would like people to believe they are. Shadowmane (talk) 00:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

How about someone moving this to its own sub-section within the article. The Traditional Anglican Communion, minus the Anglican Church in America, are the only ones considering this within the Continuing Anglican movement. The great bulk of Continuing Anglicans are content remaining Anglican. Also, there needs to be something put up in this article on the recent Congress held in Victoria, British Columbia in Canada. That, and not the creation of the Ordinariates, is the bigger news from the Continuum. I propose a change to the sup-section to include the efforts of the Continuing Churches at reunification with one another, and another sub-heading regarding the effort by the Traditional Anglican Communion to join the Ordinariates being set up by the Roman Catholic Church. Shadowmane (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Ordination of Women within the AMiA.
The reason for my strong advocacy for this wording is as follows: a)not all charismatics, Anglican or otherwise, are evangelicals, and vice-versa;  this is true within the AMiA as well as elsewhere; and b), within the AMia, both charismatics and evangelicals are those who generally support the ordination of women. While this may or may not be true in other Anglican circles, it is certainly the case in the AMiA. For example, Fitzsimmons Allison is the retired Episcopal bishop of South Carolina. He is now affiliated with the AMiA. He is a supporter of women's ordination and ordained one or more women to the priesthood while a bishop of the Episcopal Church. He is an Evangelical, and while he is not opposed to charismatic renewal, he would not describe himself as a charismatic. I hope that my latest wording on this question, specifically with regard to the AMiA, will satisfy everyone. --Midnite Critic 19:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Couple of issues
First, as to the history of the Continuing Anglican Movement: some more details about the St Louis Congress would be in order, not least that this was (or at least appears to have been) in response to the ECUSA's decision in 1976 (not sure of exact date) to ordain women. Perhaps someone more familiar than myself with this could fill in the details.

Second, the use of the AV/KJV and opposition to the ordination of women may be distinguishing marks of CAM churches, but certainly not identifying marks. By that measure, any church that uses AV/KJV and doesn't want women priests would ipso facto be part of the Continuing Anglican Movement. I can think of several Orthodox churches that would be surprised to get that bit of news. This change I'll make myself. JHCC (talk) 20:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC) .............................

Rejection of the ordination of women is already prominently mentioned in the first paragraph, giving the reasons for the movement. It is also referred to again in the part about AMiA. The paragraph about the KJV deals with something else, churchmanship and preferred Bible translations, which JHCC rightly described as 'distinguishing."


 * Anglican1 - First, welcome to Wikipedia! Second, please remember to sign your entries on talk/discussion pages.  Third, you may wish to tell us a little about yourself on your user page.  --Midnite Critic 15:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Charismatic Episcopal Church
Please add the International Communion of Charismatic Episcopal Churches. Founded in June 1972 in San Clement, California. It blends the charismatic spirituality with the Anglican liturgy and sacramental theology.

The Rev. Canon Rick E Hatfield, Canon Theologian Southeast Province CEC 904-745-3311-111

The above comment was added by User:Canonrick at 01:49, June 6, 2006

NOTE: I moved this request from the article itself to here. --Midnite Critic 07:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Rick, The article at Charismatic Episcopal Church says,
 * ''The CEC is not, nor has it ever been, affiliated with the Protestant Episcopal Church (PECUSA) or any other denomination. The word episcopal is used to describe its hierarchy of bishops
 * So perhaps it doesn't belong here after all, except to say that it doesn't consider itself as Continuing Anglican. What do you think? If you like, go ahead and edit the article yourself.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Section headings
Hi. I've split the (over-long) opening section into three, by adding Establishment and Theological approach section headings. I think they clarify the text, and I think I've split it into sensible sections. However, this topic isn't my area of expertise, so I'm not too sure on whether I've come up with the best names for the sections so feel free to tweak as necessary! Jamse 09:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

clarification
In light of the recent split-offs of certain parishes and dioceses within the main(stream) Episcopal Church, the distinction between that and the Continuing Anglican Movement ought to be amplified.


 * Go for it! In the meantime, I added a link to the Anglican realignment article.--Midnite Critic 19:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Continuing
The Continuing Anglican movement basically has nothing to do with Anglican Realignment. The latter proposes to create new structures within the Anglican Communion. That's the "realignment." The Continuing Anglican churches do not want to be part of the Anglican Communion and have had no active part in the Realignment movement, with only the exception of the APA, REC, and possibly EMC. It is wrong to list all the other Continuing Anglicans with the groups and dioceses working for a restructured Anglican Communion. The Anglican Realignment page needs to have all of them removed from that location and the Continuing Anglican template needs to be clear of references to the Anglican Realignment movement which is not part of the Continuing Anglican movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.68.248.132 (talk • contribs) 7:04, 29 October 2007

What was so hard about that? A sensible response. We'll split the template.-- SECisek 22:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Direct Communion with Canterbury
None of the Continuing Anglican Churches, defined most properly as those which go back to the Congress of St. Louis in 1977, are in direct communion with Canterbury, meaning that they are not recognized as such by Canterbury itself. At least one, the Anglican Province of America (which is a union of a former portion of a continuing Church and one which predates St. Louis), along with the Reformed Episcopal Church (which long pre-dates St. Louis and is therefore not a "continuing Church" in the most proper sense of the term), are in "mediate communion" by way of Nigeria, which remains (more or less) in communion with Canterbury.--Midnite Critic (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * An amplification of the above: APA is also a member of Common Cause Partnership, which brings Kenya and the Southern Cone into the picture as well, but as with Nigeria, the communion between APA and Canterbury remains mediate (and again, Kenya and the Southern Cone are themselves "more or less" in communion with Canterbury at this point).  --Midnite Critic (talk) 01:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What needs to be said here is that the Continuing Anglican Communion originally made overtures to Canterbury. These were summarily rejected.  As were overtures to other churches within the Anglican Movement.  All of this happened back in the 70's, and is referenced in the book "Divided We Stand: A History of the Continuing Anglican Movement".  Once Canterbury began ordaining women in the 90's, the Continuing Churches abandoned the idea of communion with the Church of England.  This can be found in the minutes of some of the meeting of the time, in the Bartonville Agreement and I believe in a book written by Archbishop Haverland of the Anglican Catholic Church.  Shadowmane (talk) 18:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

"full communion" vs. "communion"
The additional sentence works; however, the Anglican Province of Nigeria, et. al., have stated that an "impaired" state of communion exists between them and Canterbury. Therefore, "full" overstates things at this point. The correct term, BTW, for this situation is "mediate communion". It has occurred several times in Church history, when, for example, Antioch was in communion with Rome and Constantinople, but Rome and Constantinople were not. A member example involves the Russian Orthodox Church outide of Russia (ROCOR) which, for many years, was not in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate, Constantinople, etc.; however, ROCOR was in communion with the Church of Serbia, which in turn was in communion with the MP, etc. --Midnite Critic (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

"unrepentant homosexuals"
Unless we are willing to discuss the ordination of unrepentant heterosexuals, or exactly what form of penitence might be expected of ordinands (and I am not sure that such a discussion would be appropriate in a lead paragraph about a different topic), this sort of phrasing is POV and should be avoided.--Bhuck (talk) 10:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed work group
There is currently discussion regarding the creation of a work group specifically to deal with articles dealing with the Continuing Anglican movement, among others, here. Any parties interested in working in such a group are welcome to indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

PECUSA
I'd like to see a reference for the claim that any of these churches claims to BE the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America, rather than merely it's "continuation" or maintaining its "lineage" or something of that sort. Tb (talk) 04:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal
This use of the term seminary in the context of the Continuing Anglican Movement seems sufficiently unique from other uses of the term seminary to suggest that the bulk of the discussion is best suited for the Continuing Anglican Movement article in the seminary section, not at the Seminary article. I think the best course of action is to place a link to Continuing Anglican movement from Seminary along with incorporating any useful text from Seminary into this section. Novaseminary (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Since nobody objected, I merged the sections. Novaseminary (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Header
...that have been formed outside of the Anglican Communion This seems to state that they were created from scratch by people that were not in the Anglican community. Should it not read ...that broke away from the Anglican Communion? Jubilee♫ clipman 01:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Copied a part of Traditional Anglican Communion to this article
More than half of Traditional_Anglican_Communion is used now. Richardprins (talk) 17:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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ACNA
is the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA) part of the Continuing Anglican movement? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that it is not, the major area of disagreement between the ACNA and the Continuing Anglicans being the ordination of women. The website of the Anglican Catholic Church addresses this question here. Bnng (talk) 21:06, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

What is Diocese of Holy Trinity?
I see someone added


 * Diocese of Holy Trinity (5)

Under continuing churches. I don't know what this refers to. The only "Diocese of Holy Trinity" I know of are part of the ACC or HCC-AR and shouldn't be listed separately. Unless it is cited to what it refers to I will remove it. SAWassen (talk) 16:06, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I have removed Diocese of Holy Trinity from Churches. SAWassen (talk) SAWassen (talk) 21:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Clendenin video archived
That Clendenin speech video being hosted at a personal DropBox was obviously a link-rot risk, and attempts to archive it via web.archive.org and archive.today both failed because they don't cooperate properly with DropBox. So, I downloaded the video, fixed its insanely high bitrate (enough for 4K video at least, and just served to grossly bloat the file size for no gain in visual quality), uploaded the more sensibly-sized version to one of my own servers, and archived it from there. It failed again at archive.today, but worked at web.archive.org, so we're good to go; I've checked the copy there and it is complete. (I'm now going to remove the video from my own server, since that particular one doesn't have unlimited disk space, and I need it for a bunch of other stuff that actually pertains to that site.) What I've added in the article is: livehttps://web.archive.org/web/20240516025712/https://cuindlis.org/webarchive/1st_Session,_Thu._Oct._5;_Clendenin,_George;_2017_Anglican_Joint_Synods_Banquet.mp4May 16, 2024. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)