Talk:Control Z

Plotsum?
I don't often contribute majorly to one given article, but I thought I would do so for this one. Most articles regarding movies have a plot summary and I don't know if that also goes for articles about shows. I was able to condense the important parts of the season into less than 400 words. This is what I have.

Sofía Herrera, an introverted teenager and a student at Colegio Nacional, spends her time observing the school; watching closely at the things that take place. She talks about this to her friend, Javier, a new student at the school.

During an assembly at the High School, a hacker exposes a huge secret of one of the students by playing a video for everyone. This causes panic and humiliation amongst secretly transgender student Isabela De La Fuente. Sofía immediately uses what she observed earlier that day to figure out who else was involved. The hacker continues revealing students' secrets which causes numerous students to turn on one another. Sofía needs to figure out who this hacker is as they now have dirt on her. The hacker can now control what people do by telling them to do something.

A few days later, wimp and bullied Luis admits to being the hacker. This gets him expelled from school. Sofía, however, knows that Luis could not be the hacker. Upon further investigation, she finds out that Luis wanted to get expelled to get away from his bullies. This plan backfired because now they hate him even more.

Luis's bully, Gerry, schedules and event to beat up Luis and invites everyone. Luis has no choice but to attend because the hacker told him to. After a very very big commotion, Luis is put into a coma because of Gerry. This leads to Gerry's expulsion.

The hacker tells Sofía to meet at Raúl's party. The hacker, as a way of "meeting Sofía," kidnaps her, which only gives her more clues about who the hacker is. After some further investigation, Sofía finds evidence that Javier is the hacker, but she can't know for sure.

Sofía and Raúl report Javier for being the hacker, which gets him kicked out of school. Shortly after, Sofía finds new evidence that confirms that Javier is innocent because Raúl is the hacker. She manages to record a confession from Raúl, but he retaliates by revealing the secrets of everyone. Now everyone hates each other and knows that Raúl is to blame. Gerry seeks out Raúl with a gun. While trying to ease the situation, Javier is accidentally shot by Gerry, concluding the conflict.

I didn't want it to go to waste, but I also didn't know if it was needed.

Let me know what you think. -- Diriector_Doc ├─────┤Talk Contribs  02:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is what you have, why don't you contribute it? As long as it does not violate any Wikipedia policy, the content is fine. Bradford   Talk  16:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

English/Spanish titles
There has been a minor feud between me and Bradford over which titles would be displayed first; the English or the Spanish titles. So far, this setup has gone back and forth between English/Spanish and Spanish/English. I am bringing this issue to the talk pages to avoid potential edit warring, also because an edit summary limits me for words.

My thought behind this is this is the English wiki. It makes sense for the readers to have the English titles first and the Spanish title following. Bradford's point is, and I quote from his edit summary, "...according to the documentation, only the original title should prevail, which in this case is Spanish." Although I see his point, I still disagree with it. I don't have any other point than "it makes more sense for English to come first," but I do believe that point also justifies why it shouldn't be the other way around.

If something on Wikipedia is of poor structure, it should be changed. Don't get me wrong; I do not think that Bradford's edits are poor by any means. I would never say that about another person's work. While I do believe that Bradford has done some good things for this article, I feel as if this one edit slightly decreases the readability of the article. I don't see how, in this specific case, following "the documentation" increases the readability of the article. It's not like the documentation controls everything. Going against the documentation would follow WP:UCS.

I do not wish for this conflict to go any further. I have made my point as clear as I could. If there are still objection, please discuss. -- Diriector_Doc ├─────┤Talk Contribs  21:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The title to prevail is the original, on the other hand, the English titles have not been removed. The series is from Mexico, not the United States. If it were the other way around there would be no problem. But if we rely on the template documentation, nowhere does it include that translated titles should be added. This is something that you want to impose. And as I said before, the English titles have never been removed. It is something that has been done in several articles Elite (TV series) and List of Money Heist episodes. Bradford   Talk  21:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Put it this way. If you were to include only one title, which would it be? The Spanish titles? Of course not. The Spanish titles mean nothing to the English-speaking readers of the English Wikipedia. The English titles are still official titles, so if we are going by what you say, "...nowhere does it include that translated titles should be added," technically, the Spanish titles shouldn't be included at all. The Spanish titles are only there because the show itself is set in Spanish. -- Diriector_Doc ├─────┤Talk Contribs  01:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The series is a production in Spanish, therefore their titles in Spanish must prevail as original. Other pages like IMDb place titles in Spanish, not English. These titles are only translations. Bradford   Talk  01:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No matter what language we are in, their original titles should always predominate. Bradford   Talk  01:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm misreading the edit history, the WP:QUO was Title	Original Spanish title, and Bradford should refrain from reinstating his BOLD change until consensus is reached... Leijurv (talk)

The titles in English are only translations of the original title. And at no time have they been eliminated, only their position has been changed. According to the Episode list documentation, the parameter is exclusive to its original title and is subsequently followed by ALTTitle, which is used to add another title, if the original was modified. Bradford  Talk  03:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Nowhere does it way that the title parameter is exclusive to what kind of title it is. However, there is a section on Non-English titles. It clearly states per the provided example that English titles should be the title parameter and the original title should be the NativeTitle parameter. I didn't look at the documentation this closely until now, but it looks like both of us were using it wrong. If any edit should stick it should be this:


 * This actually works out in terms of a compromise; the documentation is followed as per your liking and the English title is first as per mine. -- Diriector_Doc ├─────┤Talk Contribs  16:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * TranslitTitle, NativeTitle and NativeTitleLangCode used for anime series. For example List of Boruto: Naruto Next Generations episodes. So undo that edit you made.  Bradford   Talk  17:03, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It never specifies the type of show. The documentation say the use of NativeTitle is quote "To create an episode list which includes a native title and/or transliterated title." In no way does this at all imply that it is exclusive to anime. Control Z fits this criterion. -- Diriector_Doc ├─────┤Talk Contribs  17:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)