Talk:Control of cities during the Syrian civil war/Archive 18

Tell Malh in rural Hama under Regime control ?
Official Sources report the Army control from news places in Hama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlckxSO6Mog

الجيش العربي السوري يعيد السيطرة على بلدات تل ملح و الجديدة والجملة Translation Syrian Arab Army restores control of the towns of Tel salt and the new sentence

According to Arab Talker the Army taken the control of three town in Hama : تل ملح = Tal Malh الجديدة = Jdaida الجملة = Jalma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Army_taken_the_control_in_new_town_in_Rural_Hama_.282.3F.29

This anti Assad source report the insurgent lost the control in two different places https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/527257290715947 The regime forces have taken control over the two villages of Meleh and Al Jalma after withdrawal of Al Nusra Front due to regime’s bombardment on the area.

I think Tal Malh could be refers to Tell Malh

Sama TV is pro regime TY but is a official source and anti Regime source report too the regime taken two towns in this place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 14:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I think SOHR is not neutral source.It's pro opposition source .A lots of medias confirmed that theses cities are under government control or at least contested area.MZarif (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

SOHR was discussed numerous times MZarif, read the previous discussions. It was decided SOHR, although a pro-opposition source, is reporting in a neutral way and thus it has been the main source for 90 percent of changes on the wikipedia map since it was founded. Their neutrality is reflected in the facts that it has been described as an authoritative source by reliable news sources, while SOHR has been attacked by both the government and the rebel/opposition side because they report on losses/advances/war crimes of both sides. In any case, Tell Malh was captured by the Army four days ago, but it was recaptured by the rebels this morning, end of story. EkoGraf (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

^ Where is the source the insurgents retake it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 01:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Here you go. EkoGraf (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Daraa = Army retake brigade 61 or Insurgents never captured it ?
Days ago I saw dozens of Soldiers killed in a place who the Insurgents claims was the Brigade 61 many people claim Insurgents capture this military base and was putting in this map in Green..

Now is in red again ?

What happens there it was retaken, or the Insurgents never capture this place (The Whole base) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 00:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The hill Tell al-Jabiya, that hosts the brigade, was retaken by the army. I did not see an explicit mention to the brigade. The editor assumed that the brigade was retaken too or he got more info.Paolowalter (talk) 07:30, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/05/syria-rebels-setback-south-national-council.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boredwhytekid (talk • contribs) 12:28, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Aleppo Central Prison
Some reports indicating that government troops from Sheikh Najjar have broken through to Aleppo Central Prison. Other reports state that the army is merely a few hundred meters away.

http://tahrirsouri.com/2014/05/21/%D8%AA%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%8A%D9%86%D8%AC%D8%AD-%D8%A8%D9%81%D9%83/ http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/syrian-army-is-a-few-hundred-meters-from-central-prison-in-aleppo-and-recaptures-hilan/

Anyhow, the Aleppo map needs a few edits.

Siege broken: https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/469093084153020416 !!!! Paolowalter (talk) 12:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

and Army captures Sheik Najjar power plant ,Tallet Hayyan ,agop hill ,haylan village and broke the siege.more sources:sohr: https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/530311813743828 http://breakingnews.sy/en/article/39323.html http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930231001237 fix the map — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 15:03, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The only official and confirmed is a town called Hilan near the Prison http://sana.sy/eng/337/2014/05/21/545753.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2bbK9BNxnM — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 19:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Syrian troops taken the village of Hilan, and is advancing towards other areas that surround Aleppo prison.The Daily StarSOHR Hanibal911 (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Syria army break the siege.Fix the map http://news.yahoo.com/syria-army-breaks-rebel-siege-aleppo-central-prison-073957068.html;_ylt=AwrTWf3Qqn1TVzgAiCXQtDMD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 07:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Handarat camp and prison SE area under SAA Ariskar (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Aleppo Central Prison and sourrounding area Including Haylan under control by SAA and Hezbollah. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27514897 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.198.55.103 (talk) 16:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Deir Ezzor oil fields and processing plants
Here's the "what" and "who" from SOHR http://syriahr.com/en/index.php?option=com_news&nid=2189&Itemid=2&task=displaynews#.U3t9Mk9OWCV

Here's the locations for the ones I've been able to find

Jafra oil field http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.308541&lon=40.426254&z=13&m=b&search=al-Jafra%20oil%20field

al-Omar oil field http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.104181&lon=40.576630&z=12&m=b&search=ConocoPhillips%20Syria

Tanak processing facility http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=34.913114&lon=40.816861&z=15&m=b&search=al%20Tanak%20oil%20field

Tabieh gas plant http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.342113&lon=40.316803&z=15&m=b&search=al%20Tanak%20oil%20field

al-Taym / Thayyem http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.203715&lon=40.086957&z=15&m=b&search=al%20Tanak%20oil%20field

possible location of al Kharata http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.341980&lon=39.779881&z=14&m=b&search=Deiro

The internecine ISIS v Nusra/Islamic Front fighting in Deir Ezzor is focused on two things: the link-up of Raqqa and Anbar provinces, and the oil. These are important strategic sites. Add them to the map, please. Boredwhytekid (talk) 16:35, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Haha is there really not a single editor that cares enough about accuracy/clarity to add these? Oil - IT'S WHAT THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR in Deir Ezzor; It's the #1 source of domestic funding for belligerent entities. I've provided the locations and the "who owns what" from SOHR. No takers? Not a single editor here considers this important? Not adding these sites equates to deliberately omitting factual information about the situation on the ground - and THAT is POV pushing. Why? Boredwhytekid (talk) 12:51, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 13:12, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not clear? Ok. "Please change Jafra, al-Omar, Tanak, and al-Taym/Tayyem from nonexistent to green dots on the map (at the above provided wikimapia coordinates) - green, based on the SOHR report cited here: http://syriahr.com/en/index.php?option=com_news&nid=2189&Itemid=2&task=displaynews#.U3t9Mk9OWCV" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boredwhytekid (talk • contribs) 13:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
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Sigh. Round and round we go. The settings seem to be such that only "autoconfirmed" editors can access. So, for the fourth time round: See the above..
 * If you'd properly specify the page you want edited, it wouldn't keep getting declined like that. Also, please don't keep making new edit requests; just reopen old ones. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Properly specify? I specified the request - add oil fields/processing plants that are not on the map; I specified locations - provided wikimapia coordinates; I specified who's in control of each one respectively - via SOHR reference. What else needs to be specified? Sorry for the repetition, but apparently I can't edit it, and the requests keep getting shot down even though all relevant information has been provided.Boredwhytekid (talk) 19:03, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * An account becomes autoconfirmed after it is 10 days old has made 4 edits. Your account appears to have made 102 edits and is more than 20 days old. You should be able to edit the template yourself. (You know you can edit the template when you can see an "Edit" tab if you go to Template:Syrian Civil War detailed map. If you are not autconfirmed, you should instead see a "View source" tab. When you hit the "Edit" button, you will see a red banner indicating that only autoconfirmed users can edit the template. That is normal; you can still make edits.) What exactly is the page doing that is preventing you from editing the page? Mz7 (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I must've attempted these edits 15+ times - I was always unable to even place a cursor in the editing area/box. Take 16 worked out though! Thank heavens. Now I'll stop whining about this.. -_- Boredwhytekid (talk) 12:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Since it appears that several editors have a hard time understanding your request, it's probably best you do it yourself now that you have the necessary privileges. Sorry for the confusion about that! Best, Mz7 (talk) 19:25, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

SOHR: Hasakeh city
According to SOHR, Hasakeh is contested between YPG and SAA, mainly in Masakin, Tall hajar, Mufti and Aziziya neighborhoods.

http://www.syriahr.net/index.php?option=com_news&nid=19281&Itemid=2&task=displaynews#.U3znNvmSwXt http://www.syriahr.net/index.php?option=com_news&nid=19286&Itemid=2&task=displaynews#.U3zWgfmSwXs

217.165.217.176 (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

SOHR is not credible source it's got a hard anti Regime line wait at least a third source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 18:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

We can't make a entire city with 200,000 people in conflict just because a anti Regime web site wrote it.

Stilling needing more sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 22:18, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * You would know that Kurdish and pro-regime sources have reported it as well, if you'd bother to do the slightest amount of searching on your own rather than just lazily sitting around waiting to be showered in other people's work. Lothar von Richthofen (talk)

Doesn't matter now, according to pro-YPG sources there was a ceasefire, though tensions are still high.

(190.67.138.87 (talk) 02:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)).

The Kurdish insurgents attacks fews Government Administrative buildings in Hasakah most probability the Syrian Hasakah Police they take the buildings without resistance - At the moments no are a conflict in the City.--LogFTW (talk) 08:12, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting Maps
Several maps have published on a heavily pro-opposition site, which describe military situation on several places. They could be used to precise some locations side (In favor of pro-Loyalist side I suppose, since it comes from pro-opp source).

West Ghouta: Darush, Regiment 137, Kafr Hawr, Qalat Jandal, Al-Kiswah indicated as red

Zabadani Area: Kafr Yaboos, Al-Rawdah, Jdadydet Yaboos, Kafr Hawamid, Husseiniyah indicated as red

Rojava: Firesa indicated as contested

They don't represent gains, but just bring additional details to the WP Map. Kihtnu (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Regime advances at Hasakah
Accoring to Cedric Labrousse [www.facebook.com/the.arab.chronicle/photos/a.454685571308535.1073741828.453010751476017/531884170255341] some advances from regime near Hasakah. Who will update on map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.92.120.157 (talk) 22:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2014
Aleppo central prison liberated http://sana.sy/eng/21/2014/05/22/546092.htm

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Um al-Awsaj town in Daraa countryside
The SAA gained Sunday full control on Um al-Awsaj town in al-Sanamein region in Daraa countryside. http://sana.sy/eng/337/2014/05/18/545193.htm and WWW.almayadeen.netMZarif (talk) 17:08, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

lol SANA and Mayadeen as sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.150.158.44 (talk) 23:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

SANA is a very credible source their reports usually report correct informations most times - The Lebanese TV Channel like Al Madayeen yes they exaggerated some times but both sources coincided

Syrian State TV Also confirm this place "Um al-Awsaj" was taken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IiwPjJJktM

But it's not on map yet some one need draw that (I cant edit map)in others information insurgents take Tal Mlah in Hama after army capture that fews hours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 04:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I have seen SANA statement and several news on twitter confirming it. If there is consensus. Ican change it.192.135.12.144 (talk) 16:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Um Awsaj to SAA confirmed by reliable source: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/05/syria-national-coalition-defense-minister-resignation.html. -- HC PUNX  KID 22:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Your "reliable source" is simply quoting SANA. Pay attention before you claim a reliable source. André437 (talk) 17:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Zabadani region and Talfita
Zabadani CANNOT possibly be under siege or blocked by the insurgency. After the Qalamoon operation the remainder of rebels in the area cannot have the strength required to hold such a siege for a long time.
 * As told endless times, ring does not mean literally 'siege', but just fighting around the city in some vague sense. That still appears to be the case. We just keep watching if the situation changes.

192.135.12.144 (talk) 16:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, Talfita is under SAA control, not in a truce or under siege. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.197.58.143 (talk) 13:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You should provide a source. I have not seen anything about Talfita since a while.192.135.12.144 (talk) 16:25, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAoY5_y6mgw  Skip to 2:05 the sign reads Talfita. This is a report after the liberation of Talfita — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.197.58.143 (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Make talfita red.more sources: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/10/12/329000/syria-army-retakes-talfita-joroud/ http://en.alalam.ir/news/1524506 http://www.firstpost.com/topic/place/syria-al-qalamoun-syria-saa-liberated-talfita-in-damascus-count-video-Ku6XGZ67pOk-15-1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku6XGZ67pOk

About zabadani: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/syria-rebels-surrender-border-town-2014426152724543924.html rebels surrender town and army capture it.But nusra didnt and escape the mountains.So army bombarding the mountains.It doesnt make zabadani under siege.Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 08:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN TAKE KASSAB OFF OF SIEGE AS WELL AS A MILLION OTHER REBEL PLACES

PRESSTV.IR AS A SOURCE? WOOOOOOW

this map truly and sincerely has gone to s%*t — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.150.171.229 (talk) 09:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

First, preestv and other sources more trustable than sohr ,arab chronicle,tahrirsy vs.Second i am not saying delete green circle around zabadani.I say not under siege.They put circle when fights outskirts the town.So they put red circle around kesab and a million(WOOOOOOW) rebel places.Dont get mad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 10:04, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

as fights take place in zabadani mountains we should leave zabadani as red with green circle. can any have information about wadi barada???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.102.233.228 (talk) 11:04, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Frontflipy provided the needed sources. Change Talfita and al-Zabadani to red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SorenC (talk • contribs) 17:29, 20 May 2014 (UTC) hey what about wadi barada? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.99.34 (talk) 19:17, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

al‑Zabadani cant be under siege or blocked by the insurgents seems they are weak in this area - It can be =

1) Contested 2) Some zones under siege whole city under Army control 3) In Army hands

According with pro Insurgent SOHR http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Clashes-near-Damascus-kill-14-rebels-Activists/articleshow/34480502.cms 14 Militants die inside this town

But Syrian SAMA TV Showing a pro Assad rally there and seems the place is under regime control and stable or at least the major part of that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwA9jmvQOCw — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 02:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Strange -- in the Jazira report, the rebels claim a truce, not a surrender. It quotes an Iranian source to say that the regime took the town.  Such sources tend to be uncritically pro-regime, often worse than SANA.  And if the regime had really captured the town, one would expect SANA to claim this important victory.  (They tend to not report truces.)
 * The reference from the Times of India is from May 1, thus seriously out of date.
 * The video posted of a pro-Assad rally was, according to the arabic underneath, at a kindergarden called Zabadani in Artouz, which is a neighbourhood of Damascus city. (It would be more than a little dangerous to hold such a rally in Zabadani.)
 * In sum, only the first reference could be useful, indicating there is probably a truce in Zabadani. Much like many suburbs of Damascus.  And not regime held.  André437 (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Homs = Al waer (al-Wa'ar) in Truce and add Um al-Awsaj to map
Al waer (al-Wa'ar) in Homs is in Truce now. https://sg.news.yahoo.com/syria-rebels-army-agree-truce-near-key-city-114129475.html
 * ✅--- HC PUNX  KID 21:03, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

And add this town in Daraa province in Army hands Um al-Awsaj. http://sana.sy/eng/337/2014/05/18/545193.htm

Anti Regime source = The army also took control of the village of Umm al-Awsaj in al-Sanamein in the Daraa countryside. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/05/syria-national-coalition-defense-minister-resignation.html

Anyone can wikimap this place ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 20:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)


 * First, portraying Al-Monitor as a "anti-regime" source is at least dubious, if not something worse. Its more or less a neutral one. And finally, could you review the map before asking for things that have been done? Because Um Awsaj was added to the map days ago...-- HC PUNX  KID 20:55, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Why Brosa in Daraa In Conflict?
This was in red.

Link a source or it must be change in red again a single SORH report is not credible for made ALL Brosa in conflict — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 17:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2014
how could khan shaykhoun be contested and the nearest regime point to it is alsalam checkpoint (1 km out of the city and besieged). you have to show your sources or this map is shit.

83.110.77.163 (talk) 22:51, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please be specific as to the edit you want and what you are referring to. --JustBerry (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Obviously untrusted source, but...
This file an untrusted source, its powered by tumblr. Anyway, is it true that the countryside shown in darker green is not in government hands? And I only mean the areas that border Iraq. — SP E SH 531  Other  05:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Because this is absolutely not reliable map taken from an pro opposition source.her Hanibal911 (talk) 05:24, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

This zone is in regime hands but are very low populated areas there white zones = Low Population

http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/05/27/140527094901319306.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 19:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC) --LogFTW (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is a map from Wikipedia shows a more real situation in Syria.Map Hanibal911 (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Different way of Reading the Map:

I just copied the current map we have here on this wiki page and traced outlines, then (which is important) checked out the map of Syria with relevance to Roads, Civilian Centers, and Accessibility to certain areas (how did such group reach an area) then I came up with this map http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/amaraen1/media/SyriaMay30WithRelevence.png.html ! I do not claim my map is perfect I just want to show a different way to read the map we have here as a lot of the areas in Syria are No-Man land, and just because someone occupies a check point or a power pump in the middle of nowhere it doesn't mean they control swaths of land around it.

I colored the area in the North East orange because there are elections there even in smaller villages, the SAA can travel freely there and shares supplies with local defense groups, those Kurds are friendly to SAA and the government still has access to any area if it chooses so.

Names rather than flags
Hi, names should be used in the column "held by" instead or with the flags. The signification of the flags is quite obscure for people not well acquainted with this conflict. The islamic flags are specially confusing.--Kimdime (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Add Rawiye village near Mabrukah, Hasakah.
https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/534202033354806 SOHR confirmed clashes between YPG and ISIS in that village. SOHR is pro-rebel, so it stands in a neutral point at YPG/ISIS conflict.

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=pt&lat=36.720448&lon=39.807243&z=13&m=b Here is the village. In case it's already on the map with a Kurdish name, please change it to contested — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.16.157.58 (talk) 00:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Kurdish insurgents killed by ISIS http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c75_1401325553

ISIS controlled the town YPG / PKK assault was repelled*

ISIS massacred many civilians, including children. So far, no actual sources reported ISIS in control.

Deir Ezzor changes
This report http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/ISWBackgrounder_Valerie%20ISIS_Deir-ez-Zour_1.pdf would support a number of significant changes in Deir Ezzor. Among them: Shulah and Kabajib contested between rebels and ISIS (what was the source for making Shulah SAA controlled in the first place?); al-Huseen and Sa'dah ISIS controlled; al-Suwar Nusra controlled, besieged by ISIS; etc. Not all of the sources used by the report are wiki-policy quality. But nonetheless - it would seem that substantial revisions may be in order.. Anyone dig up alternate sources/opinions/reports for this province? Boredwhytekid (talk) 20:13, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * While that report is from 14 May, I used this pro-government map wich is newer (23 May) to display ISIS and IF-FSA control. We agreed that we can use pro-gov sources to display "rebel" (in a broad sense: IF, FSA, ISIS, Nusra, YPG..., as all that forces fight against the Syrian government) gains, and viceversa (pro-opp sources to display "loyalist" gains), but a user wich unfortunately everyone knows here for his terrible editing behaviour had decided that rules and editor agreements are not to be accepted by him, and revert my edits wich are based on that agreement...
 * And about Shulah, its situation is unclear, as even the report you bring here dont clarify who controls that town. Not to mention that due to the evolution of the situation, that report is clearly outdated (remember its published on May 14, and its info is from late April-early May), for example now Kabajeb aint contested, but in ISIS hands, according to newer reports. Same thing happens with other Deir Ezzor governorate towns.-- HC PUNX  KID 21:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That is true. My thoughts specifically go to al-Huseen and Sa'dah though. All reports seem to imply that these were overrun by ISIS at the very beginning of their Deir Ezzor offensive. There hasn't been any indication of rebel (green) activity that north on the river since ISIS began pushing south. Boredwhytekid (talk) 12:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

al-Bab, Aleppo
This indicates al-Bab is not ISIS controlled. http://www.todayszaman.com/news-349218-isis-kills-15-abducts-300-kurds-in-attacks-on-kurdish-towns-in-syria.html Boredwhytekid (talk) 16:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * But this indicates that it is Qabasin (and confirms that it is under ISIS control..) http://news.yahoo.com/jihadists-kidnap-nearly-200-kurds-syria-ngo-163414359.html

Daraa/ al-Taf and Satah Zahnan towns
Army captures al-Taf and Satah Zahnan towns in al-Lajat area source: http://sana.sy/eng/337/2014/05/31/547706.htm

Sure, but those two areas are two little villages on an isolated strip of land around a road and never mentioned on this map - south of Damascus on the northern tip of the Lajat hill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.15.164 (talk) 11:16, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Adra
The syrian perspective in its latest map about the eastern ghouta has shown that rebels fully control adra. http://i.imgur.com/vDEVw26.jpg Alhanuty (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

and Map shows tadamon under army control, abadeh under army control


 * I agree. Adra should be green. Here is another pro-gov source (RT) confirming it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Lkr3GOe1k). Tradedia talk 12:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Abadeh is under Army control a few months ago I even gave a source the front line is west of Abadeh but no one updated the map even tough I gave the source also Adra is under control of rebels on the map but the maker left out the residential area which should also be under rebel control everything else is ok.Also update the map to show the real front lines and also put back Abadeh in Army hands as we had never actually confirmed that rebels entered the town. Daki122 (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

In the archives under the topic of "Damascus map not working out of date and hard to update" here is the source as well.Note you can see clearly where the railway passes on the map that is in use.Also the front line on the Syrian Perspective map is also positioned on top of the railway.Daki122 (talk) 13:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Adra is under rebel control and adra industrial city under army control.Pro gov source confirmed that.And abadeh qasimiyah jarba under army conrol: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Feb-25/248401-un-resolution-brings-little-change.ashx#axzz2sk38sDRI .Source say: ...town of Neshabia, in the eastern outskirts of Damascus, near a railway marking the front line between Islamist fighters and Assad’s forces backed by Hezbollah.It makes abadeh jarba and qasimiyah under army control.Railway:http://wikimapia.org/#lang=tr&lat=33.533382&lon=36.517353&z=13&m=w

qasimiyah and jarba is stil rebel held,if the rbels report it is government held held,then we change.

Do you have a source about qasimiyah and jarba is stil rebel held? .I have got a trustable source and it says railway is the frontline.It makes abadeh jarba and qasimiyah under army control. SOURCE(it is not pro goverment source): http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Feb-25/248401-un-resolution-brings-little-change.ashx#axzz2sk38sDRI READ IT

And adra isnt rebel hand, it should contested.Newsanna yesterday video.Army inside of adra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raWoHHqNPWc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 11:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Quneitra province
"Al-Samadanieh" and "Al-Ghahtanieh" in Quneitra province both contested because of SAA offence according to opposition sources : http://syriahr.com/index.php?option=com_news&nid=19614&Itemid=2&task=displaynews

Pouria2014 (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. You have stated a claim, but not what change you would like to make. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 15:35, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Post-expand include size
It looks like this page's post-expand include size is getting near the limit again. Please ping me if it does end up over the limit again, and I'll apply some more fixes. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Bir Akhu Hadlah, Bir Hajj al Mufazi, Al Jarabi under Regime control in Raqqah province according by Pro Insurgents Sources.
Pro Rebel Map showing these areas under Regime control at May 17. https://twitter.com/CdricLabrousse/status/467698923470336002/photo/1

Here is a pro Rebel Source http://tahrirsouri.com/2014/05/14/isis-advances-on-the-rebels-of-ar-raqqa-while-the-regime-attempts-to-rut-a-path-to-the-tabqa-airbase/

Here a pro regime map from May 15 is basically the same. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=823210987698150

Both anti and pro regime maps coincided in almost 100%

This was talking before here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War/Archive_17#New_map_of_Raqqah_province — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 02:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I added these town at the time of the above mentioned discussion. The only change is that Ayn Issa is now black. Is any evidence for this change?

If not I'll turn it red. Paolowalter (talk) 20:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I reverted the change. You can't use opposition sources to remove regime towns. Feel free to add the other edits again if you like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SorenC (talk • contribs) 21:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You reverted my edit passing red, green & yellow towns to black, based on a pro-opp map (and if you are going to say something like "ISIS is also opposition", remember that they have their own colour, marking their separation with the "rebel" opposition, so that's not an argument), so I followed the rules while you dont, by reverting without giving reasons. I will restore my sourced edit ASAP.-- HC PUNX  KID 22:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You can use a rebel-kurdish source to replace yellow-green dots with black dots. But you can't use a rebel-kurdish to change red dots to black dots. Its simple Wikipedia policy. Go ahead with the other edits, but Ain Issa is under regime control and this is well known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SorenC (talk • contribs) 01:02, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You are misinterpretating the agreement we reached here. Since ISIS is opposed by ALL the rest of factions (SAA & allies -red-, FSA & allies -green-, YPG & allies -yellow-), we can use both pro-government or pro-opposition maps to back ISIS advances, wether they are against SAA, FSA-IF or YPG. If you can find a map from a pro-ISIS source (hope we can found one), you could use it to portray SAA, FSA-IF or YPG advances. And if Ayn Issa is under "under regime control and this is well known", just prove it with something more than a Labrousse map from 3 weeks ago wich doesnt even mention that town...-- HC PUNX  KID 16:29, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Al-Shulah in Army hand (Pro Rebel Source)
This pro Rebel source admitting that https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoesuRsCIAAbwBp.jpg:large

Where said ^ "Alternative Loyalist Road to Deir ez Zor" is where is located Al-Shulah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 19:59, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Newer pro-opp maps (31 May & 1 June) put it as ISIS-held, so stop reverting it and put it black if you respect the agreements we take here.-- HC PUNX  KID 22:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

What new pro rebel map you mean this one https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/473225872942858240? He is puting half Hama in Army control in Rebel hand (ISIS+ Non ISIS) is basically the same who he publish in April 2014 https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/455421390376554496/photo/1 This type of maps are not credible this is created by followers racers oportunits.

Lest see Labrousse is a pro rebel despite he post many incorrects things bis a bit more credible he made more "Reputation" this is the source from May 25 7 days ago showing Al-Shulah area is in Regime control https://twitter.com/CdricLabrousse/status/470534599479943168/photo/1

And seems ISIS are not in the capacity for attack SAA there because right now they are too bussy fighthing Al Qaeda / Others Rebels/ Kurdish Insurgents / Iraqui Army - The information from abaut who controlled this place is small however at the moment the more "Credible" who we have abaut Al-Shulah is Labrousse lol - Anyway news sources are welcome for sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.101.171.159 (talk) 00:05, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * There are two maps from pro-"rebel" & anti-ISIS sources putting Al-Shulah as ISIS-held, both newer than Labrousse map (one from 31 May, the other from 1 June), both from sources used before here, so at least as credible as Labrousse or Syrian Perspective (I could find errors in maps from both sides if you want). So try not to be partisan and give arguments to the ones who claim that this map is biased in favour of the government side. Your personal opinion (or mine's) about the strenght of ISIS, SAA, FSA, etc... doesnt matter, its simple speculation, what does care its the sources.-- HC PUNX  KID 13:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The point is we know for sure that Al-Shulah and Ayn Issa were in government hands till a few days (weeks) ago. Nobody reported change of the situation; any change in Al-Shulah would have been trumpeted because it means cutting communication with Deir Er Zoor for SAA. Both maps are pro-rebels, simply one is a few days more recent, but there is no indication that anything happened in the meantime. There is no reason to believe that the map you mention has any hidden information that we ignore. Therefore I support both back to red till either explicit claim of cities taken by ISIS from reliable source or rebel's map agree on that.87.8.39.71 (talk) 20:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Seems this map is not credible https://twitter.com/arabthomness/status/473225872942858240 is too anti regime several people claim before these maps are just a fraud http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca2_1397540969

This new map from June 2 showing Al-Shulah under Army control (I dunno if it's anti or pro Goverment) https://twitter.com/deSyracuse/status/473403042243809280

Anti government Labrousse's Map May 25 showing Al-Shulah area under regime control too https://twitter.com/CdricLabrousse/status/470534599479943168/photo/1

Both maps coincide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.211.174.7 (talk) 21:23, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And do you really think that this map is credible?!? Come on, dont make me laugh, please. An example of his serious mistakes: Showing Hatla as "rebel"-held when its (according to both pro-opp & pro-gov maps) ISIS-held. Look how credible is that guy that he has to upload an "updated" (euphemism for corrected) version of that map...ON THE SAME DAY!! (2 June, like 5 hours later the first version map was published!). So credibility of that source seems to be between nothing & zero. Next time try to bring something more reliable, not that amateur sh*t...-- HC PUNX  KID 22:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

map of the Syria
Here is the map from the pro opposition source that displays the situation in Syria on the beginning of June! This data are confirmed in this source on which referenced Joshua Landis renowned expert but also a supporter of the Syrian opposition.I Affairs Canada Hanibal911 (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Um, I made that map, I'm not 'pro-opposition' (don't know how that label's been applied to me) and it's not even a new map, it's just the Wikipedia map with a few minor changes to it. I'm flattered to see it here but it really updates nothing. Nhauer (talk) 03:07, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, Nhauer is right, so that map cannot be used as a source for changes here, as its simply an outdated version of his map with some minor changes.-- HC PUNX  KID 14:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Abu al-Duhur air base Inside Abu al-Duhur town ? - Why lakes deleted ?
I think Abu al-Duhur Air base and Abu al-Duhur town should be separated.

Here is with Google earth http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/06/04/140604094356777967.jpg

And why lakes deleted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 19:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Below table of content.
The chart below Table of contents seems a little bit outdated, the Aleppo section states the Aleppo Ofensive (2012-2013) not the current siege of the city, also Homs-waer current situation is not on FSA control, the truce forced them to leave. Another point, most of Deir el Zor look with a lot of ISIS Black dots, but in the chart below the map there is no mention of ISIS controlled cities.200.48.214.19 (talk) 13:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Please provide source for Al Waer truce. Up to my knowledge, only central quarters of Homs were involved in the truce. Al Waer continues to be in the hands of rebels. 152.74.13.43 (talk) 14:35, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Source was provided when it was edited. Do your homework and review the "view history" tab...-- HC PUNX  KID 21:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree, my mistake. I wasn't clear enough. The user above said that the truce forced FSA to leave Al Waer. I don't think so. They did not evacuate as in old city. That was my point. It is clearly shown in the map so everything its Ok. Sorry again.152.74.13.43 (talk) 22:07, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ayn Suda
How can Ayd Suda behind Jisr alShoghur be under SAA control, and it was bombed 2 days ago and attacked several times be MiGs! or can we say the SAA bombing areas under his control?

83.110.77.163 (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Provide sources for your statements.Paolowalter (talk) 22:21, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — cyberpower ChatOnline 22:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ayn Suda (sources)
How can I give you sources for that and you don't accept any opposition sources. Noway to find regime source posting about bombing the city, btw take a look on those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCErJkjjqg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2nMdclTfZU http://khamakarpress.com/tag/syria/ http://malcolmxtreme.wordpress.com/ http://syriahr.com/index.php?option=com_news&nid=19702&Itemid=2&task=displaynews#.U4-fafmSwXs http://syriahr.com/index.php?option=com_news&nid=19659&Itemid=2&task=displaynews#.U4-fbPmSwXs

83.110.77.163 (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. True facts which are significant will eventually be reported in a reliable source. Reliability has nothing to do with which side of the conflict, just with having a reputation for accuracy. Please read the linked page about reliable sources. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 23:46, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:57, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Anti Assad blogs - insurgents videos are not a sources need to link a news agency at least like Al Jazeera who support the rebels but at least is a acceptable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 00:00, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Towns From as-Suwayda governorate (1)
The 100% of as-Suwayda governorate is under Army control and that included these towns who no are in the maps =

Anat village = قرية العانات http://wikimapia.org/#lang=es&lat=32.350473&lon=36.809886&z=16&m=b

Khirbet-Awwad http://wikimapia.org/13865657/Khirbet-Awwad

Mughayyir http://wikimapia.org/2649748/Mughayyir-%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%B1

Anz قرية عنز http://wikimapia.org/2373954/Anz-%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%B9%D9%86%D8%B2

Umm ar-Rumman http://wikimapia.org/11994211/ar/%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86-Umm-ar-Rumman

Shenireh http://wikimapia.org/2373776/Shenireh-%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9

Samma al-Baradan صما البردان http://wikimapia.org/8735495/Samma-al-Baradan-%D8%B5%D9%85%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86

تحولا Tahuleh http://wikimapia.org/3189161/%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7-Tahuleh

Awas عوس http://wikimapia.org/3189168/Awas-%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%B3

Majdal ash-Shor مجدل الشور http://wikimapia.org/8635751/Majdal-ash-Sh%C3%B4r-%D9%85%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1

Imtan http://wikimapia.org/1734167/%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-Imtan

al-Mashquq- http://wikimapia.org/1496272/al-Mashquq-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%82%D9%88%D9%82

قرية خازمة Khazmeh http://wikimapia.org/3189192/ar/%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%85%D8%A9-Khazmeh

General view http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/06/05/140605094352568215.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 07:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I can draw it again if some one no deleted it..


 * Do you know that here we use sources to add towns? And that we have some rules?-- HC PUNX  KID 14:38, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

These place all are in regime control - Obviously Status quo ante bellum so in Army control - The SORH a machine war propaganda created for support the rebels no talk about these towns because the Insurgents no move there since 2011 or were killed very fats before penetrated in these areas so is tacit these towns are in Army control no in conflict.

I think we no need to wait the Insurgents capture a town and regime latter retake it for draw that in red on map and a lot times when it happens many people said "Ho noes it's regime source keep it in conflicts"

All maps including the most illogic and anti regime created by Al Qaeda fanboys twitter followers races trolls admits the 100% from as-Suwayda governorate is in Army hands.

Map from April100% as-Suwayda governorate in Army hands http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=202_1395974204

Wiki map June 100% as-Suwayda governorate in Army hands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#mediaviewer/File:Syrian_civil_war_2.png

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.211.174.7 (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

about the map
I'm following this map since 3 weeks, what I realized that this map rarely to update the opposition operations, by the way the regime's operations are updated 24/24, what are the sources you use to keep alShula under regime control? and brigade 61 under regime control? and almughir around beit jin contested? shameful, the problem is that the map is related to Wikipedia, seriously I have to find another maps to follow instead of this.

83.110.77.163 (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Its very easy: Do you have neutral or pro-government sources stating that Al-Shula is under insurgent control? Or Brigade 61? Or Al-Mughir? If the answer is yes, do the changes, but if the answer is no, bad luck...-- HC PUNX  KID 12:52, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

PUNXKID is right. If the Goebbels-inspired neo-Stalinist media of the Syrian regime doesn't confirm it, we can't make any edits to the map about rebel advances. Don't worry though, the Goebbels-inspired neo-Stalinist media of SANA and Mayadeen will be sure to report fairly any rebel advances, so don't worry about this map being heavily biased in favor of the regime. It isn't. Repeat after me: it isn't. Just accept the doubleplusgood truth and go to sleep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.106.13 (talk) 15:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you that if you dont like WP rules (because its not me who made them, you know, lil' demagogue?), go elsewhere and cry with your lover Cedric "drama queen" Labrousse in defense of the democratic islamist beheaders-jihadi sharia lover mercenaries of the so-called "Moderate Syrian opposition" (uopps, at least 2 of the 3 words in that definition dont make any sense on it... :-D). He,he, now the loosers are crying all day about this map being biased (curious attack, when many red towns had been added basing on heavily pro-terrorist maps, perhaps Labrousse & co. are "regime" undercover supporters? Anything is possible in the distorted & tiny minds of some WP Arab Winter living-room revolutionaries), but of course they dont said sh*t back in 2012, when according to this map it seemed that Damascus was about to fall (another example of the out-of-their-minds wet fantasies of that squizo's), how funny they are...-- HC PUNX  KID 16:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The fact that AC and SOHR (supposedly the most biased in support of the rebels) have been reliably used to add red towns to the map supports my argument, not yours, my dear mental midget. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.106.13 (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you understand the fact that we use pro-terrorist sources for government advances and viceversa -viceversa means that we use pro-government sources for terrorist advances, dear low IQ ip dummy user- or thats too complicated 4 you, salafi lover? Seems so, as you aint sure that islamofascist & sectarian AC is "supposedly" (according to you) biased in support of the so-called "rebels" (without a cause, except beheading as much as they can, imposing sharia & the caliphate)-- HC PUNX  KID 22:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Listen to me you lame hipster Assange-lover, Putin-worshiper and Khomeini-foot-kisser. The reason why AC and SOHR are used to add red towns all the time while SANA is rarely used to add green towns is because opposition media is based on a semblance of transparency while regime media is based on a Stalinist-Goebbels model. Is that so hard "4" you to understand? The update rules for the map are stupid, so when the FREEDOM FIGHTING REBELS were liquidating your Ba'athi-Farsi friends in Latakia, Daraa, and Idlib, we weren't able to enjoy the spectacle on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.106.13 (talk) 12:07, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you dont accept WP rules agreed by the majority here its not my problem, but yours, ISLAMOFASCIST CHEERLEADER. So if you dont like that, its very easy: GO AWAY, we dont need crying SNACKBARIAN TROLLS here, who dont contribute nothing but simply spread bullsh*t. I suggest you to and what remains of your severely damaged brain to go start a blog where you can write all the absurdities you want and made an imaginary syrian map where your beloved beheaders impose their "democratic" sharia, OK, Erdogan lover, Saudi & Qatari slave? No more time to waste on loosers...-- HC PUNX  KID 22:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

. CIVILIAN CENTERS vs. "Rural Commercial Complexes"

Please consider leaving only the Civilian Centers as Circles on the map and changing other structures into another icon. If you do it soon it would become easier to keep the same system later on. It is important that these complexes are not the same as towns and villages by any value.

It was a great idea to label military bases / check points / outposts etc. as they are not circles. Wouldn't it be better to change the rest of Non-Civilian center on the map now from circles to something else? Like the Dair Al-Zor oil fields, Agricultural Facilities, Thermal Plant, etc. All these are (Commercial Complexes) but on the map they seem as if they were the same as large towns! The truth at times is that ISIS for instance drove there and camped (they don't control any districts of population or any distant areas around) they just happened to go there and take over a plant!

I have zoomed in on many of the northern Dair Al Zor province fighting spots on this map (via wikimapia) and found nothing but ranches adjacent to the river! There are about 10 of these in Dair Al Zor alone; there are no villages there.

Sorry made this lengthy - but I needed to stress its significance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.15.164 (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

"Rif Dimashq" detailed map needs fixing: Please consider the following

The Northwest and the Southwest corners in the map should change color as those districts should be pink now; they are both red dots on the main map. Also, Eastern end in the Damascus map doesn't need the green strip east of Qtaiba as that area is not under Militants control. The mere presence of militants near the Chemical Material location to the east doesn't mean they control the area adjacent to Otaiba. A smaller, more localized map is better as it no longer needs to cover all the area around Damascus.

Thank you admin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.127.203 (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Ayn assan / assan /Mount azzan
Ayn assan and assan under army control.Rebels strike in march but they failed.And rebels dont capture assan and ayn assan after that.Source: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/03/syria-army-impose-blockade-militants-aleppo.html# source say: ... militants attempted to advance toward Assan, Ayn Assan, Rasm al-Shih and the strategic monitoring positions and control these locations. However, the militants of the Islamic Front launched several attacks that failed...

About mount azzan and mount azzan base, today islamic front upload a video.They say,'islamic front shelling mount azzan base' .İt means army capture mount azzan and mount azzan base. video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zBKaxuWVmc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 14:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Pro-gov map (Syrian perspective) & SOHR (from June, so both newer sources than yours) said something completely different, so please take the hard job (note the irony) or reviewing the "view history" tab before caming here with a source from March...-- HC PUNX  KID 14:31, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

dont get mad kid ,If you think syr per is reliable source ,TODAY SYR PER ALEPPO MAP: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/474225121075671040 ayn assan and assan and mount azzan under army control.Your source is old.Fix the map  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 18:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Look ignorant boy, if you were present here for months as others like me you would know that we use pro-gov sources for pro-opp gains and viceversa, but never pro-gov sources for pro-gov gains or pro-opp sources for pro-opp gains. If you feel better or more important by breaking the rules we agreed here, or you think that you are an internet warrior fighting for god-knows-who, its up to you, dummy...-- HC PUNX  KID 21:39, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

This is a anti regime source -> http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2014/03/syria-army-impose-blockade-militants-aleppo.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 21:55, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Not true....Al-monitor is an impartial and reliable neutral source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.23.254 (talk) 03:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

News of additional advance of SSA in Southern Aleppo: . Most of the quoted towns are already amrked red, but the source states that SAA reached Al-Hadir. Soon to make changes, but let's just keep watching.Paolowalter (talk) 09:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

HCP.. i know the rules. you say pro gov source confirmed rebel capture assan and ayn assan and you make them green ,and i say same pro gov source not confirmed rebel capture ayn assan and assan and i give you a source.Why do you still talking? Ayn assan assan and mount azzan under army controL..THE END — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 10:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems you dont understand english language very well, so either you dont understand the rules or simply you dont want to understand them. I will put it on caps, hoping that your limited IQ could understand it: YOU CAN USE A PRO-GOVERNMENT SOURCE (AS SYRIAN PERSPECTIVE) TO REPORT OPPOSITION ADVANCES, BUT YOU CANT USE A PRO-GOV SOURCE TO REPORT GOVERNMENT ADVANCES" Do you understand that or I have to make you a scheme? Because that's what you have done, you have used a pro-gov source (a Syrian Perspective map) to back government advances. In other words, you dont respect the rules we agreed here. If you cant respect the rules we agreed here, I suggest you to leave this map and go create a blog where you can do what you want... So unless you give a neutral or pro-opp source confirming the SAA control of Assan & Ain Assan I will have to put them on lime again, as I do respect the rules, PERIOD. And of course, dont use that Al Monitor article from 3 months ago, as there are newer sources that put the situation different, and logically newer sources are above older ones.-- HC PUNX  KID 14:36, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I understand you but you not understand me.You say' YOU CAN USE A PRO-GOVERNMENT SOURCE (AS SYRIAN PERSPECTIVE) TO REPORT OPPOSITION ADVANCES' and i say pro gov source doesnt say assan and ayn assan under rebel control.They fix their map one day later.And make assan red or green,i dont care.And make red or green doesnt change the truth.I am just trying to help.But you still atacking me(limited IQ vs.).I am sorry if i say something bad.But you should respectful to other people.And I dont want to discuss with you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 15:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Based on TV Reports It's confirmed the regime take new areas in south of Aleppo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Npse0WWQ44 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.328873610595886.1073741938.257566704393244&type=1 but need a Arab talker to know what a specifics places are these — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 22:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Shady Hulwe reporting from the mount azzan base.And this pictures from Khanat Assat-Malihiyah-Rasm Bakru-Tel Rasm-Abtin and he says 'syria arab army control more than 80% of the southern countryside of Aleppo (he says this on facebook and I translate it).But i dont know what he said on video — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frontflipy (talk • contribs) 09:37, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Some important places under insurgent control
Daraa’s central prison captured almost intact in May 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26659897

Daraa Jassen National Hospital captured - Partially destroyed in January 2014 http://sastvnews.com/latest-news/1827-activists-syrian-rebels-seize-strategic-hospital-in-northern-city-despite-government-bombing Aleppo Police Academy captured more than a year ago in 2013 http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/syrian-rebels-storm-police-academy-near-aleppo/2013/02/24/f21ed078-7eb1-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_story.html I dunno if it was recaptured after but is not on map.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 01:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Hanibal911 (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Washington Post is a pro-Opp website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.197.58.143 (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Some smart pro-regime user removed Daara Central Prison from the map add it back.

al-Zabadani
According to https://www.facebook.com/syriahroe/posts/538116619630014 there are clashes in al-Zabadani. It is too small scale to make it contested but it could get a green ring around it. Clashes on the outskirts are quite frequent.Paolowalter (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Pro-government source also mentioning clashes at Zabadani. Put it in contested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SorenC (talk • contribs) 20:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The best solution is to install a green circle around the city as most of the clashes occur outside the city. And the rare attacks in the city do not indicate on the fact that  in the city the now go full-scale clashes. This is most likely an attack by the principle of hit and retreated. Hanibal911 (talk) 21:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Link specific location using it = http://wikimapia.org/#lang=es&lat=33.715630&lon=36.072922&z=13&m=b&show=/7536323/Al-Zabadani

And is possible made a small zone in conflict size 5 seems it's sporadic clashed with no substantial importance anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 02:35, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Non-existent village Al-Sabaa wa Arbain
Wikipedia lists Al-Sabaa wa Arbain in Hasaka as a village of more than 14,000 people; however, no maps show such a place to exist. Wikimapia shows it to be at most a tiny hamlet and there are zero Syrian sources that make mention of a village going by that name.

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.081153&lon=40.656452&z=16&m=b&search=36%C2%B04%E2%80%B252%20N%2040%C2%B039%E2%80%B223%20E — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dulldul (talk • contribs) 12:20, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

al‑Zabadani no surrounded by insurgents
In this zone insurgents are too weak the can't surrender a big town like al‑Zabadani in this area they get 15+ consecutive defeats in Al Qalamoun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Qalamoun

Al Jazeera report 29 Apr 2014 the gunmen surrender there this is the most anti Assad who you can found... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/syria-rebels-surrender-border-town-2014426152724543924.html

Here the Regime TV report a pro Regime rally inside Zabadani https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwA9jmvQOCw

So it only can be =


 * Truce with Regime controlling whole Town and gunmen fews small districts.
 * In Regime Hand all Town.

But no never surrounded by Insurgents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 20:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

If that is the case, then Kassab too should not have a red circle around it, seeing as how it is not surrounded by regime forces.

I Agree Kassab not surrounded it should be fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 17:53, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Al-Hasakah
Pro opposition kurdish source told Ara News said that the YPG and the Assayish withdrew in midnight from their headquarter of the Fire Station in the city of Hasakah and the YPG and Assayish force were replaced by pro-Assad militants of the NDF in the Station after their withdrawal. And the “Syrian official flag” was raised on the top of the building, as well as the flag of the Baath Party and pictures of the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad under the protection of NDF militants. The flag of the YPG forces was apparently removed after the Kurdish forces’ withdrawal. The YPG and Assayish forces also withdrew from the Water Foundation building in central Hasakah after months of control. The leadership of the Kurdish forces didn’t issue any statements about the reason behind their withdrawal. Ara News Hanibal911 (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be very interesting to have a map of Hasakah city, as there are maps of Damascus, Aleppo, Daraa & Deir Ezzor. The only problem I see on that is that the only maps we have of the town are from pro-opp sources: this & this. It would be good if we had other maps from pro-gov sources...-- HC PUNX  KID 18:02, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes it would be wonderful! I think that so we can reflect the full picture of what is happening in the city of Hasakah and in the surrounding areas. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:02, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/06/updated-map-of-military-situation-at-lattakia-and-idlib.html & https://twitter.com/archicivilians/status/473562493302734848/photo/1
Nabain in Latakia, Qalat al Madiq, Huwayjah, Al-Hawwash in Homa, Kafr Lata, Qmenas and Sarjah in Idlib - RED Salma in Latakia, Binnish, Sarmin, Qastun, Khan Shaykun and Maarrat-al-Numan in Idlib GREEN in RED circle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ednekoma (talk • contribs) 19:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, please make sure to put a red circle around every single green town on the entire map while you are at it. Let's not miss an opportunity to put that awesome red circle that all the editors seem to love a little too much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.106.13 (talk) 04:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

South Aleppo countryside
I applied several changes pro-opp from pro-gov map situation in South Aleppo countryside. I found also, but it is in arab (which I cannot read); translated with google I got something like

Simplified unit element of the Syrian Arab Army, with the support of the local defense forces control over the missile base in the area of ​​Azzan, and villages Abtin and draw wormwood and Kvrobeid Plus and south of Aleppo up to the outskirts of the area west of Aleppo Zorba.

A military source said the TV news that the control elements of the Syrian Arab Army came to complement the military operation that began two days ago, where lies the importance of the region being overseen most of the villages in the southern and western Alrevi.

"After control of the southern villages, especially air defense base and Plus , the army has cut supply routes for the gunmen Alrevi between the southern and western , as it became Aleppo - Damascus under the main goal mechanisms ."

A possible interpretation is that Arbin and the neighbouring bunker (http://wikimapia.org/#lang=it&lat=36.071580&lon=37.119026&z=12&m=b) is under SAA control. Can somebody help in the translation? And the source is reliable? Paolowalter (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)Paolowalter (talk) 09:53, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I basically says that SAA has taken control of a missile base in Azzan, in addition to Abtin, Rasm el Sheikh, Kfar Abid and Balas until Zerbeh

Al-Akhbar is Hezbollah:

"In his "Comprehensive Guide to Lebanese Media," journalist Deen Sharp describes Al Akhbar as "critical of all Lebanese groups," but "perceived as pro-March 8th,"[9] a coalition of political parties in Lebanon that includes Hezbollah and the Free Patriotic Movement.

In 2010 Ibrahim Al Amine, editorial chairman of Al Akhbar, described the founding ambitions of the newspaper: "We wanted the U.S. ambassador to wake up in the morning, read it and get upset.”[10] Responding in a letter to the New York Times, Jeffrey Feltman, who was US ambassador to Lebanon when Al Amine made the remark, wrote that Al Amine "did get my attention, but not in the way he intended. The hilariously erroneous accounts of my activities reported as fact in his newspaper provoked morning belly laughs."[11] Later, in 2013, Al Amine attacked the U.S. as "the main source of policies of oppression, hegemony, and injustice in the world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Akhbar_(Lebanon)"

Please be careful when using Lebanese sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.106.13 (talk) 04:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Army take a town called al-Thawra in Rural Damascus
http://sana.sy/eng/298/2014/06/05/548762.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mV9VIpWiE — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 22:44, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

A rebel source claimed fighting in the city,better be put contested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.178.220.158 (talk) 00:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

^ Contested before now under regime control - It's not on map yet anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 00:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It should correspond to the city called Al-Harjilah in wikimapia . It is in the Damascus area map as red already.

We ignored that it was contested. 192.135.12.144 (talk) 13:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

SANA is a great and reliable source and not biased at all, totally fair to use it to show regime advances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.204.106.13 (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Maskanah
Can someone explain to me yesterday's SAA infiltration in Maskanah (close to lake Assad)? By the way I can only find info in twitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archinovista (talk • contribs) 10:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Abtin, Aleppo
Please change Abtin, Aleppo province from red to green based on this pro-government source http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/06/updated-current-map-of-aleppo-battle-642014.html Boredwhytekid (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. 83.92.120.157 (talk) 10:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Pro-ISIS source map
As it had being very difficult (or simply impossible) to find a map from a pro-ISIS source, I finally found this one. As we can use pro-opp maps for ISIS gains, we can also use this pro-ISIS map for opp gains (in this case the towns named in arabic).-- HC PUNX  KID 22:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Kharta oil facility
Kharta oil facility - conflicting reports about who controls it: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jun-09/259384-isis-steps-up-push-against-rebels-in-east.ashx#axzz34AOV7owE. I added the site, made it contested. Anyone want to change it to the industrial icon - b/c idk the code for that. Boredwhytekid (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Not a single proof that the location given is true. So please self-revert ot I will do it ASAP unless proof is given on where that facility is located. That facility could be equally here or here, so until a clarification is given, it must NOT be added (we dont add sites to the map based on "probably is here" or "perhaps is there").-- HC PUNX  KID 16:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

It is not a matter of probability or presumption. Check any satellite map - the location of Kharta oil facility is clear, beacause, simply, it is the only oil field in southwest Syria that has an adjoining facility. Actually, pretty easy to locate on those parameters.. Boredwhytekid (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...it seems you answered before ending reading my comment. I've had to rewrite this answer as I finally found evidence that your location is correct, but please, next time try to do this by yourself, instead of giving claims and allegations. Here is the proof that Al Kharrata oil field is correctly located (page 2).-- HC PUNX  KID 22:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

That's an awfully long winded way to admit that I was right. Boredwhytekid (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I dont have any problem on recognizing you were right, my problem is that you aint give proof of that you were right. If I didnt found that pdf, I would reverted your add again, as you aint proved the location of that oil facility. Its not a personal issue, but simply respect to the rules & agreements taken here.
 * For example, I have added several military bases to this map that are clearly on gov. controlled territory, but another editor had removed them as there isnt a pro-opp or neutral source that specifically states that this or that base is controlled by the Syrian Army. I dont agree with that, but as I respect the rules here, I have to accept that, so I expect other editors also act like that.-- HC PUNX  KID 22:25, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I get that, I do; and I do respect that in my edits. But in this case we did have reliable sources stating who controlled (or contested) the site. And those reliable sources provided us a hint of Kharta's location by specifically using the word "facility" - after scouring southwestern Deir Ezzor province, it's easy to see that there's only one oil field with an adjoining "facilty". The proof is wikimapia/mapcarta/any satellite map of southwestern Deir Ezzor. I did my homework. Not trying to step on toes or break rules here, but my decision to add it was an easy call and evidently the right one.. Boredwhytekid (talk) 23:29, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

HCPUNXKID, you should go easy on this revert mania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SorenC (talk • contribs) 02:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It aint a mania, but attachment to the rules & agreements taken here. Please read the 2nd paragraph above your comment.-- HC PUNX  KID 22:25, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Why Ayn al-Niser was change to green ?
Ayn al-Niser was in red seems some one change it to green for unknown reasons link a source or it must be change to red again. http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/06/12/140612015543645501.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by LogFTW (talk • contribs) 23:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Sheik Najjar
The Industrial city of Sheik Najjar has been taken over by the Army plese change the map.Here is the source:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/aleppos-sheikh-najjar-the-death-of-a-oncerich-city-9503699.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daki122 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Some recent maps
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/06/11/the_beginning_of_a_caliphate_the_spread_of_ISIS_in_five_maps — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boredwhytekid (talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

raqqa
Why did you add more isis towns to raqqa and at the same time you removed the all the opposition towns except two, or its just to show that isis controlling raqqa, great job. When it comes to truthfulness and reliability, this map is can be a great example, and it was not like that last year. Wikipedia should check whose playing with that to show his interests only.

83.110.100.100 (talk) 21:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you take a second or two and review the agreement we have here (something in wich I do not took part, but as every other WP editor supposedly I've had to respect it), we agreed that we CANNOT use a pro-opposition source for opposition advances, or a pro-government source for government advances, or a pro-kurdish source for kurdish advances, or a pro-ISIS source for ISIS advances. Opp towns in Raqqa governorate (except that two ones) were added based on a pro-opp source (Masar News), so unreliable and incorrect, and for that reason I deleted them. The other two towns were added with neutral sources, and even a pro-gov map agrees that they are opp-held. On the other side, the ISIS-held towns I added were based on a pro-opp & anti-ISIS source, as I stated on my edits. If you dont like the rules we have its not my problem, as Im starting to feel tired of explaining the same issue to every new editor who came here trying to save the world and God knows what...-- HC PUNX  KID 23:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Based on a pro-government source for a map http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/06/updated-current-map-of-aleppo-battle-642014.html would someone please change Abtin to green? Boredwhytekid (talk) 00:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You should be auto-confirmed; please stop using the edit semi-protected template to make requests. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Northern Homs
Opposition captured omm sharshouh, thawra and wa'ara.

regime source: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/476773161451929600 opposition source: https://twitter.com/nmustat3afin/status/476697847287779331

83.110.100.100 (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC) e The government source is simply retweeting the Opp. Source. The Opp. source is in arabic and I can't read but twitter is not a RP unless it comes from a well know source, that is not the case. Fighting in omm sharshouh were reported by various sources but I don not the status now. We should keep watching.Paolowalter (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)