Talk:Cookie/Archive 1

Nomenclature
They are called cookies in the United States and Canada, but what about in Australia?? -- 66.245.82.61 00:54, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I usually call them biscuits. When I was little I called them "bikkies"..... || -- deanos (I'm from Australia) 11:42, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * In Australia we occasionally use 'cookie', and 'chocolate chip cookie' I think is universal. If a biscuit has diameter less than about 2cm I'd call it a cookie. -- Special:Contributions/Gtoomey 10:41, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm also from Australia and their virtually never called cookies, but rather the slang term bickies, or just biscuits. And have you honestly seen a biscuit or cooking with a diameter under 2cm??? -- Shaizakopf 10:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Cookies can also be found in Scotland. All cookies are biscuits however not all biscuits are cookies. Scottish cookies come in all sizes, big (6" diameter) and small (2" diameter). Cookies can be distinguished from other biscuits because they have that highly recognisable cracked surface texture and round slightly irregular shape whereas other biscuits do not. It seems more likely to me that the origin of North American cookies is from the influence of Scottish settlers rather than Persian ones although I suppose that it could be a coincidence. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:22, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * In the US, a biscuit is a small fluffy bread food, similar to a muffin with out the muffin-top. -- Thebigbradwolf 14:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The funniest word in English?
The funniest word in English? I think not. -- Pookleblinky 11:52, 30 November 2004

Inventor
Does anyone know the history of the cookie? Does it have an inventor? -- Grevlek 02:01, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

Best article on Wikipedia -EVER-
It even has pictures of cookies! -- I am not good at running 01:56, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Aha, an enthusiast! You sound as if you would enjoy http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/ which, despite the name, is actually about all kinds of biscuits including cookies. -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:27, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh it's making me so hungry. Best. Article. Ever. Somebody should see about getting this featured. -- Anakin 23:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Who spells it "cooky"?
I've never heard that. -- 24.67.19.114 05:36, 26 July 2005
 * Ditto here - never seen it spelled that way. I thought about removing it but m-w.com has it as a variant of cookie, and Amazon search returned at least one Better Crocker book with the word cooky (published 2002) so I guess it's used by SOME people... -- Drunkasian 00:21, 2005-08-02 (UTC)
 * Never heard of that either; and the "cooky" in the Betty Crocker book seems to be a cute misspelling of "cook", not "cookie". I'm taking it out. -- Matt Yeager 03:36, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * 122,000 Google hits, a dictionary entry, and a Better Crocker cookbook all say "cooky", and yet you say "Never heard of that." Wowzers! That is some weird use of the word "never" you have there. I've put it back. -- Dominus 20:36, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't spell it like cooky. who dos its spelled cookie( BLACKBERRY57) -- Blackberry57 03:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well "Better" Crocker isn't exactly an authority on spelling English words, if this "Cooky" exists, and it's something different to a Cookie, then it needs a separate page or it's just a Typo. -- Zelphi 15:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not anything different than a cookie or a misspelling. Just an alternate spelling. -- Rmhermen 16:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It can't be an alternate spelling, there is no alternate spelling, someone made it up. There's a section later on in this page, the Origin of Cooky should be investigated, be it branding from someone's cook book or common inability to spell Cookie properly.Zelphi 17:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. does not agree with you: bartleby.com -- Rmhermen 01:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Then the dictionaries wrong too, yes it's wrong. American spelling It's not Kooky it's Cookie, damn Americans. -- Zelphi 17:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The Oxford English Dictionary, which doesn't just add in random mispellings, doesn't have Cooky, the Y on the end of Cooky incorrectly modifies the sound of the "oo", Betty Crocker has a lot to answer for. -- Zelphi 17:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, doesn't change the pronunciation at all. Hear it here: at Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Try using American dictionaries for American spellings, not British ones. -- Rmhermen 02:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How does it not effect the pronunciation? Spooky, Kooky, all different to Cookie which is an extension of Cook, which is different in sound to Spook and Kook. The Y alters the pronunciation to Kooky as it modifies the sound of the oo in Cook. It's not an American spelling, some bugger just can't spell. Until someone can identify where it comes from and what it's for, it's not an alternate spelling. I'm only seeing Betty Crocker as the primary alternate speller - making this a branding change, not an actual alternate spelling. -- Zelphi 11:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The OED does list "cooky" as an alternative spelling of "cookie". It also gives "cookey". It also has a citation for "cooky" from 1957. A google book search for "cooky" turns up hundreds of other citations. Hope this helps. -- Dominus 11:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Spelling could be debatable. I agree that "cooky" seems idiotic (sounds like a 5-year-old's paper) but "spooky" has a -y and "rookie" has an -ie. Perhaps "cookie" is the real incorrect spelling. -- Mooski Magnus 01:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I once read a book that spelled it like "cooky" on more than one occasion. -- Codelyoko193 13:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC) (Can you tell what the picture is?)


 * Here for the convenience of future doubters is a Google Book search showing hundreds of uses of "cooky". -- Dominus 16:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Including "Cooky" as an alternate spelling in this article makes it seems like it is very common. This is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary so we don't need to include every possible spelling. The people who insist on keeping the mention of "cooky" as an alternate spelling should put up a source discussing its prevalence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.134.5.50 (talk) 14:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC) <! -- Template:UnsignedIP -- > <! -- Autosigned by SineBot -- >

koekje
The Dutch word koekje doesn't really mean little cake, because cake is a little soft, and a koekje is there in a lot of sizes and shapes. I don't know a better translation, but perhaps there should come a description, because this translation is somehow nonsense. -- Effeietsanders 21:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * You could translate it as little biscuit... -- 84.53.83.50 10:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since it's the diminutive of koek, it does mean little koek. Don't be tripped up by recent arbitrary specializations of previously generic words. In reality, a cake or koek is any bread stuff that is 'cook'ed. -- 65.6.62.47 (talk) 14:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Recipe?
I think a recipe is in order, for a basic one, the article is quite short and it would be a nice touch. <! -- Hmmmmmmm delicious -- > -- Wolfmankurd 22:26, 8 May 2006
 * It would be difficult to have a "basic" cookie recipe, as the methods for making cookies are so diverse. Perhaps the best known recipe of a "classic" cookie (at least in America), would be the Nestle Tollhouse recipe found on the back of the Nestle Chocolate Chips package. I do notice that this recipe was not listed internally on the Chocolate-Chip Cookie page, although there is an external link. I'm no expert on copyright and whatnot so I won't make this edit. -- 67.67.197.218 04:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Generally recipes are not added to Wikipedia, but sometimes to Wikibooks:Cookbook takes them. -- Rmhermen 06:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Easter egg in Mozilla Firefox 1
In the preferences it notes cookies and small delicious treats I can't remember the actual wording but it's well documented. -- Wolfmankurd 22:26, 8 May 2006
 * It was "Cookies are delicious delicacies" and it was in some versions before 1.0. -- Evice 18:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merge of custard cream into cookie
Looking at the custard cream page, it has been suggested that the article be merged with cookie. This is a merge I would veto, as the custard cream is more popularly consumed in the UK than the us and as such would more rightly be merged with biscuits. -- Robbie scarfe 19:16, 31 May 2006
 * I removed the merge tag from that article. -- Rmhermen 17:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Scottish cookies
Where did this "soft (possibly cream-filled) bun" stuff come from ? That's not a Scottish cookie. It might possibly be used to describe the Scottish "soft biscuit" -- which is definitely a bun, usable for bacon, hamburgers, etc. -- but not the Scottish cookie which is basically a rough-textured chewy biscuit similar to the American cookie. -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Derek, I wasn't responsible for the soft bun text in this article. but I can back it up. If I go down to Goodfellow and Steven's or another such bakers of repute and ask for a "plain cookie" what I get is a round slightly sweet bun, very much like an iced bun without the icing. Never seen one cream-filled, but it wouldn't be impossible I'd have thought. Cheers -- Mendor 11:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC) (who should really be fixing some vandalism on sco:)
 * I don't know about other countries, so I'm not saying that this is the only place where it happens, but in China there are soft buns filled with custard. However, they are not considered cookies. Try putting it in a different section. -- Theemianworm (talk) 22:17, 24 December 2007
 * Yep, I can also back this up. In Scotland (or at least in Edinburgh and St Andrews), when you ask for a 'cream cookie' in a bakers, you get a sweet bun, cut in half and then sandwiched together with fresh cream. Although, this isn't instead of the American choc-chip cookie, but as well as. I'd refer to both as 'cookies'. -- Icecradle (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Classification of cookies
This may be a classification of American cookies but no way is it a classification of Scottish cookies or of UK biscuits. The article starts by saying that they are two names for the same thing but this part of the article proves they are not. -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Alt spelling "cooky"
There should be something in the article about the alternate spelling "cooky": where/when it was used, if it's still used anywhere, why it was changed, etc. It's spelled that way in certain books (Beverly Cleary, for example, I believe) and I'd like to know what the whole story is. -- Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  23:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * All those things would be appropriate in a dictionary entry for the word "cookie", but Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article is about cookies, not about the word "cookie". -- Dominus 21:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It was spelled cooky for many years, in the singular. The spelling of cookies remained plural. I have tried to find the exact date it changed but the closest I can come to is the early 1950s. And even after that, it appeared at times. My research into vintage kitchenware and collectibles for my store has led me to believe that Nestle had great influence over the change of the spelling with their chocolate chips for baking. Recipe books and "cooky" presses from the mid 1950s and earlier spell cookie with the "y." -- Killerqueen 30 22:40, 27 October 2008
 * Though I don't know where or when the spelling "cooky" originated, I do know that the spelling "cookie" has been around in English since the beginning of the 18th century. "ie" is representative of the original Dutch diminutive, and who knows, since that was before the standardized modern Dutch spelling system, maybe "cookie" is how some Dutch people spelled it. Also since it was before a largely standardized English spelling system, it's probably inaccurate to call it an Anglicization per se. Really, "cooky" would be the Anglicization, since it substitutes the English diminutive "y" for the original "ie". -- 65.6.62.47 (talk) 14:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Moved Talk:Cookie to Talk:Cookie (baked goods)
Moved Talk:Cookie to Talk:Cookie (baked goods). -- Crunk Specialist -- 05:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Revert; no reason to do that at all. -- Ryulong 05:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

"pasted cookie"
I couldn't come up with any legitimate Google hits for "pasted cookie", so I deleted that bit. "Fried cookie" is a new one to me, but at least it seems to be a real food. The remaining drop/rolled/bar/pressed/etc distinctions are all what I remember learning in home economics class 35 years ago. -- Dr.frog 21:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Looking at the article's history page, 29 out of the last 50 edits have been vandalism, with the majority of the remainder reverting the vandals' edits. I think that, given the amount of vandalism occurring, we should protect this page. -- Insane 01:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I can just request it. I'll go do that now. -- Insane 01:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

External Link
Is this link an ad? Cookie History -- it was recently removed and I'm not sure whether to return it. -- Insane 01:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Scotland reference
I have never heard of anyone calling a bun a cookie. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN play it cool.  19:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Rename suggestion: Biscuit.
Given that only two countries use the term 'cookie' for biscuits as the article suggests in it's opening line .. wouldn't it be common sense to use the name the entire world sans two nations use? Just a suggestion, seems a bit dense that it wound up this way. :P 122.107.65.2 (talk) 03:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Density is what we do! For what it is worth, I disagree with the suggestion to rename. I think the Biscuit article sums up any arguments I could possible make pretty well. We won't even get started on Jaffa Cakes... -- Mdwyer (talk) 17:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Two nations with a ton of people... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.227.12.107 (talk) 20:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC) <! -- Template:UnsignedIP -- > <! -- Autosigned by SineBot -- >

High Quality
This is article is extremely well written; in particular the description section. Congratulations to the editors. -- Aepryus (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Rare alternate spelling== The original (American) English spelling of the Dutch word was "kookie" and was still commonly seen well into the 1960's. We had two cookie jars, in fact; a barrel-shaped white and blue one that said "Cookies" and a rectangular one, designed like a townhouse, with the word "Kookies" on it.

The spelling "cookie" appears to have taken over in the 1970's. I have not seen "kookie" jars since then; only "cookie" jars.

Likewise, there used to be two ways to spell the American tomato-based version of a Southeast-Asian fish sauce called "cat siop": Catsup (pronounced "catch-up") was closer to the original Malaysian word (obviously) and was presumably the original spelling. This spelling was still seen in the 1960's (as were television commercials with Fred McMurray selling Hunt's "catsup"), but has long since been replaced by the newer spelling, ketchup.

71.198.146.98 (talk) 23:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

This sounds interesting but I'd like to see some evidence of that usage. I just consulted a couple of etymology sources which show "cookie" as early 18th Century and no mention or "kookie". Looking through google news articles and google books (1900-1970) I see no mention of kookie but thousands for cookie. Searching for "kookie jar" only turns up Lolcats. If this was the common spelling of a common word, finding usage would be easy. I wonder if your kookie jar was very regional or perhaps just a pun on the word "kooky". --JGGardiner (talk) 21:01, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

What about "cooky" vs "cookie"? It appears American English switched to "cookie" in the 1960s, however I'd like to see more information about this. Kevink707 (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Source
There's an effort to develop a definition for cookie here that might be a useful source for this article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

citations?
the only citations in this article are for britannica and merriam-webster. Neither of which go into any kind of detail like the article does. There's some good data here, but where'd it come from? Pete Iriarte (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

A standardized definition of the term cookie is needed.....
because it is critical with the coverage and exclusion of the cereal-based products--222.64.20.206 (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

A topic of....
List of cookie brands is needed--222.64.20.206 (talk) 22:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Come up with some text, and we'll see. Mintrick (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Fried things are not cookies
Krusticki and rosettes are NOT cookies. Theyre at best a pastry. Calling these things cookies would mean that funnel cakes and zeppoles are also cookies, they are not. The way they are made cotradicts the definition of cookies on this page as well as on their respective pages (ex: for rosettes, they are defined as a pastry made with a batter). removal of this "type" of cookie should be considered. If one simply fries cookie dough, that is not a cookie, just as if you boiled a potato it does not make chips. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinithehat (talk • contribs) 03:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I removed the fried cookies. Vinithehat (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency in the origins
The information box at the top of the page says that cookies are originally from the USA and Canada, but the section on origins describes how they actually originated in seventh century Persia as well as the path that eventually took them to North America.

I'm far from an expert in cookies, but it's obvious that the information in one of these parts is incorrect (probably the info box). Can someone who actually knows about this verify the information and make the necessary changes, please? 75.64.204.13 (talk) 07:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Smarties?
In the United Kingdom the term cookie often just refers to chocolate chip cookies or a variation (e.g. cookies containing oats, Smarties)

I know of no one that would call smarties either a cookies or biscuits, its a chocolate snack, or do i need to meet new people?62.30.54.79 (talk) 23:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is referring to cookies that contain Smarties, rather than Smarties themselves. AJCham2097 (talk) 05:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

That sense of 'cookie' in the UK tends to refer to a certain type of huge 'biscuit'/'cookie' which is sold in a bag rather than a packet due to the size, and which are softer than the 'biscuits' we normally have. The bag would contain perhaps around three of these cookies, compared to maybe twenty much smaller biscuits in a packet. The Smarties cookies are an example of these. Scatterkeir (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I know it's original research, and we get told off for that here, but I recall seeing both the small cookies and the large cookies, which can vary from being softer/the same/ or harder than a biscuit. Generally, cookies are the things with "bits" in (chocolate chips, "Smarties", fruit and such like) where as (sweet) biscuits are the ones with nothing in or some kind of topping (e.g. chocolate). --91.105.75.183 (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Strange Definition
Wikipedia: "a cookie is a small, flat-baked treat, containing milk, flour, eggs, and sugar, etc."

1. A "treat"? That's very subjective. In the Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, a cookie is not a treat but a small cake: it is "a small flat or slightly raised cake".

2. Cookies don't always contain milk and egg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.205.199.190 (talk) 19:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I thought "milk" was especially odd. I know of few American cookie recipes that include milk as a crucial ingredient. Butter/shortening is much more ubiquitous. Poiuyt Man talk 08:12, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Cookies are also known as a Candy or a sweet snack.

pictures
if you need pictures for decorated cookies, you can use any from here http://sparklesugar.blogspot.com/ <-- my site. sorry, i dont have an account here to log in properly... cheers! ~katie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.189.6 (talk) 20:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks? Vinithehat (talk) 14:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You will have to give permession in the Wikipedia Commons for us to use them. PlantRunner (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Round shape
fake and —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.10.27.11 (talk) 16:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Why is it specified that cookies are "always round"? This seems quite odd to me because cookies come in innumerable shapes, that's what we have cookie cutters for, and don't tell me you've never seen square cookies cut from a sheet before. -- 65.6.62.47 (talk) 14:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weird. I have almost a hundred cookie cutters in a drawer, and very few of them are round.  I wonder what the editor would have made of gingerbread men.  (Hmm:  that change was made by a person that appears to have been cited repeatedly for vandalism, so perhaps it was deliberate nonsense.)
 * Thanks to User:Rmhermen for fixing it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I would just like to throw out that it was indeed deliberate nonsense, the IP is that of a highschool, so it would make sense that it is repeatedly cited for vandalism. Anyway, thanks for changing it back, I hope you don't get any more trouble from them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.145.108.229 (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I was just getting the munchies and i had a thought. I wanted to know where cookies came from. This web site great!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.153.38.34 (talk) 00:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

KK I totally think u r so right. And yea i have seen square-ular cookies b4. U ROCK!! from ROXI! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.109.12 (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

"Nice" not "nice"
For greater clarification, if nothing else, can I suggest that the caption for the NICE biscuit reads "A Nice British biscuit" rather than "A nice British biscuit" - note the capitalised 'N' - as this is the name of the biscuit (possibly pronounced 'neece'), not a description of its (subjective) tastyness! I'd change it myself, but I've only just joined and the page is protected! Opwerty (talk) 18:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for pointing that out. hopefully the new caption will allow for little speculation.Vinithehat (talk) 02:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Cookie is a cake.--SuperLarreh (talk) 22:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * indeed, it is not. ViniTheHat (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Scottish meaning of cookie
I am 38 and Scottish and I've never heard of the supposed Scottish meaning of cookie being a plain bun before, whatever Brittania Online says - given the source I would guess that it was probably once common usage in some part of Scotland at least, but it certainly isn't so now, unless it's used by older people in secret when there's no-one younger within earshot. The only usage I am aware of here is the same as that in England, which is that it is used as part of the name of certain types of 'biscuit' (as we call them) which were partly marketed on their 'American-ness' when introduced here, such as the 'chocolate chip cookie'. Scatterkeir (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I am also Scottish and have never heard cookies being buns, to me cookies are chocolate chipped cookies.--92.41.169.117 (talk) 20:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I am another Scottish reader who has also never heard the term 'cookie' used for a bun. I have also asked my family members who also have never heard the word cookie being used for a bun. Cookie means a chocolate chip cookie to me aswell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.101.90 (talk) 00:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I am yet another Scottish reader (from Fife) and we used the word all the time when I was wee - usually referring to a selection of buns made using yeast, scones of various kinds, etc, ie generally not including fancy cakes - although it has to be said that was some time ago.81.149.39.214 (talk) 08:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Consensus is that a cookie is not a "plain bun". User 81.149.39.214 stated, "that was some time ago. Consensus however, is not a determining factor. Lacking any references for historical mention or references of "current" use the issue is self settled. Otr500 (talk) 00:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:NOTLINK, or not?
Why are we listing manufacturers and brands? While I see that these lists are all to WP articles, it seems out of the spirit of WP:NOTLINK (item 2). I don't see any benefit to WP of having a "List of cookie manufacturers" (i.e. a stand-alone list). As an alternative, if anyone sees value in retaining this information in a more objective way, should we update the company- and brand-articles with categories like Cookie manufacturers and Cookie brands? We do, after all, have similarly specific categories like Chocolatiers and Post Foods brands. ◉ ghoti 15:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

why cookie?
why is the vandalized and locked??? its just a cookie guys184.98.114.65 (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hebrew interwiki link
hello, i am from th hebrew wiki, and i have noticied that that artical is turning me to the hebrew articel about chocleta chip cookie,because the protection, i can not fix this, please, help. 109.186.134.184 (talk) 18:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe I fixed that - the correct link was in the text but commented out for some reason. Rmhermen (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Misleading Introduction
In the United Kingdom a cookie is a small, flat, baked treat, usually containing fat, flour, eggs and sugar. 'Cookie' however is usaully used to describe Drop cookies exclusively. I'm going to modified the introduction to make it alternative definitions clear. Thanks, Rob (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Australian Usage
Why, in the introduction, is Australia grouped with the United States and Canada? Use of the term in Australia is limited in approximately the same way as in the United Kingdom; a "cookie" is a type of biscuit. 121.45.50.178 (talk) 03:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, in Australia cookies are referred to as biscuits. Australia should be grouped with the UK, not the US and Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.125.16 (talk) 14:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit terminology
To change, '...including the United Kingdom, the most common word for this type of treat is biscuit and the term cookie is often used to describe only certain types of cookies.' to, '...including the United Kingdom, the most common word for this type of treat is biscuit and the term cookie is often used to describe only certain types of biscuits.'
 * Done. Rmhermen (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

German Wikipedia link
Here: -> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pl%C3%A4tzchen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.33.92.87 (talk) 23:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Bit of a difficulty. American English refers to them all as cookies while British English calls most biscuits. German Keks links to our biscuit article while the German Platzchen links to Afrikaans Platzchen which seems to mean only Christmas cookies. So without knowing which particular products German calls Platzchen it isn't clear what the links should be. I would think both cookie and biscuit should link to both Kek and Platzchen but Wikidata only allows one to one links (I think). Rmhermen (talk) 07:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I came here to question the exact same thing for Español. This article points to Galleta con chispas de chocolate, which of course is chocolate cookie. The article Galleta points back to Cookie, but because Biscuit points to Galleta already, I don't quite know what to do. (And, amusingly enough, the same picture is used in Cookie and Galleta.) --jpgordon:==( o ) 04:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 July 2012
Cellan's head looks like a cookie.

80.229.34.116 (talk) 15:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: ... Floating Boat   (the editor formerly known as AndieM)  15:46, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That is very funny but serious. As Wikipedia is not the appropriate place to crack jokes, we need take action to avoid this kind of activity, and hence I highly suggest that we move this page to avoid confusion - &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

move this page to avoid confusion (March 2015)

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 16:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Cookie → Cookie (baked goods) – because its usage is almost common to that of HTTP cookie and they both should be disambiguated appropriately. &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 14:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose on obvious long-term significance grounds. Confusion is unlikely. Egsan Bacon (talk) 15:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose: This article is about the food. For the computer terms, see... does the job nicely. Jonathunder (talk) 16:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Clear primary topic. Rmhermen (talk) 16:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per apple Red Slash 18:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per everyone else. No evidence has been provided that HTTP cookie is about equally as common as the food.--67.68.30.108 (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It should also be noted that this is a bit like the case with Avatar. In that case the primary meaning was determined to be the deity despite the fact that there was a popular film of the same name and a well known computing term. Granted the food is not on the same level as a deity but it does show that there is precedence for historical significance to be considered above modern usage.--67.68.30.108 (talk) 22:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose in cases when things are named after other things, it seems wrong for the other things to be disadvantaged. GregKaye 23:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per apple and mustang among others. -- Calidum  00:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS ; clearly not evaluating usage outside the internet, or outside the field of internet software (I find it weird this discussion started inside a joke edit request that was closed 3 years ago; April 1 is still a month away) -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 04:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose per IP Address 70.51.200.101.  CookieMonster755  (talk)   04:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Classic WP:BIAS example.  —  AjaxSmack   05:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The baked thingie is still the clear primary topic, even if it is a weird way of saying biscuit... -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The English Wikipedia is a international wiki!
This article is written like it is directed at people from Anglo-America. For example 'In the United Kingdom, a cookie is referred to as a biscuit...' is suggesting that the reader is from Anglo-America, it should be written like 'In the United Kingdom, what an American or Canadian would call a cookie is referred to as a biscuit...'. The entire article is written in this way, i recommend either renaming the article 'Cookie (US and Canada)' and possibly creating another article for what other English speaking countries use or correcting the article so that it takes into account other English Speaking countries definitions and is not directed at Anglo-Americans.

Thanks, WheelerRob (talk) 15:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree here; while for various reasons that have been discussed to death the article should remain titled "cookie", the wording of the article as a whole does not reflect its purpose as an international wiki (though the section the comment above was referring to, I think, has now been altered). For example the use of the word "treat": typing "define treat" into Google specifies it as a N. American word for this type of thing rather than a universally-understood one. Though it's obvious what it means, it still reads a bit awkwardly for those not from NA. Marjoram90 (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2015
Studys show that 100% of people LOVE cookies

98.213.232.107 (talk) 21:05, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. And besides, I doubt that everybody likes cookies. Finding just one person who doesn't would refute that statement! Altamel (talk) 21:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Pointless links
Oatmeal cookie linked from Cookie redirects back to Cookie, which is not only useless but annoying and probably harmful, 176.115.25.102 (talk) 00:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * users click the link and gain nothing of value. I wanted to read about oatmeal cookies, not read about cookies in general *again*.
 * the only mention of Oatmeal cookie in the article is in that very link
 * someone preparing new articles, seeing the link in blue, and not in red may deem it unnecessary to make an "Oatmeal cookie" article as "there is one already". Or alternatively struggle with removing the redirect before writing. (they are surprisingly tenacious against new user attacks - creating a new page is far easier than unwinding a redirect.)


 * I've removed those. Tayste (edits) 01:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Needs improving!
Dear fellow wikipedians and unregistered users, The article cookie does not show a worldwide view of this article. Improve this please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.138.220 (talk) 22:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

History and etymology of cookie
I've been doing some reading and it seems to me that the word "cookie" only became dominant in North America during the 20th century - Nabisco, the National Biscuit Company, is a prime example of this. In 1890 everyone knew a biscuit was a crunchy snack, whereas now Nabisco describes itself as a manufacturer of cookies. Anyone else spotted this or know any more about the history of the word? Gymnophoria (talk) 18:26, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The word "cookie" appears in the first American cookbook in 1796. Rmhermen (talk) 01:01, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

MISLEADING.
MOST OF THE PHOTOS ON THIS PAGE ARE BISCUITS.
 * Nope. No biscuits on that page. Runny hunny.jpg Rmhermen (talk) 02:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2016
I want to edit the restaurants that serve cookies

Meapmeep (talk) 22:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:09, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

edit request
Can we clean this up "In most English-speaking countries except for the US and Canada, crisp cookies are called biscuits. Chewier biscuits are sometimes called cookies even in the UK.[2] Some cookies may also be named by their shape, such as date squares or bars.

Cookies or biscuits may be mass-produced in factories, made in small bakeries or home-made. Biscuit or cookie variants include sandwich biscuits such as Custard creams, Jammy Dodgers, Bourbons and Oreos, marshmallow or jam and dipping the cookie in chocolate or another sweet coating"

to be consistent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:CA0D:8C00:C07:1488:8B84:6989 (talk) 09:03, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Oils vs. Fats
I can't edit this article in its current protected state. But I have a thought that a particular part of the "Description" section is worded a bit inaccurately.

A general theory of cookies may be formulated this way. Despite its descent from cakes and other sweetened breads, the cookie in almost all its forms has abandoned water as a medium for cohesion. Water in cakes serves to make the base (in the case of cakes called "batter"[2]) as thin as possible, which allows the bubbles – responsible for a cake's fluffiness – to form better. In the cookie, the agent of cohesion has become some form of oil. Oils, whether they be in the form of butter, egg yolks, vegetable oils or lard are much more viscous than water and evaporate freely at a much higher temperature than water. Thus a cake made with butter or eggs instead of water is far denser after removal from the oven.

Oils in baked cakes do not behave as soda in the finished result. Rather than evaporating and thickening the mixture, they remain, saturating the bubbles of escaped gases from what little water there might have been in the eggs, if added, and the carbon dioxide released by heating the baking powder. This saturation produces the most texturally attractive feature of the cookie, and indeed all fried foods: crispness saturated with a moisture (namely oil) that does not sink into it.

This is a great description for a cookie, but I don't think it's proper to say that the agent of cohesion is "some form of oil." Butter, egg yolks, liquid oil, and lard are all mentioned as forms of oil. I have never heard of this before. From what I've seen, both in a culinary and a nutritional sense, these items are usually referred to as "fats."

I think most people will interpret oil as only those fat-based items that are fully liquid at room temperature. And I don't think oil, under that definition, is used in cookies very much at all. If I'm not mistaken, that would make a very flat, greasy cookie. Many cookies, at least the ones familiar to me as an American, rely heavily on a mixture of butter and sugar that has been "creamed."

So, what I'm saying is, I think in the quoted section, nearly every instance of "oil" should be replaced with "fat." I'd do it myself if I could.

Vanillatoast (talk) 22:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you are correct; these substances are generally called "fats", not "oils".


 * My complaint with this article goes a little deeper. Looking at the last two paragraphs of the "Description" section, which begin with "A general theory of cookies may be formulated this way", one question springs to mind:  Who formulated a "general theory of cookies" this way?  If it was the author, then these two paragraphs represent Original Research and violate a major Wikipedia policy.  If it was some published authority, other than the author, the article should cite that authority to enable independent verification.


 * yoyo (talk) 12:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * could one site the ingredients label on a packet of cookies? or... a cook book? I guess i'll have to crack open a cook book and find a citation of what defines a cookie. or elves in a tree, whichever is more convenient. Vinithehat (talk) 01:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

It's pretty dreadful writing—and I cringe every time I see someone use phrases like "namely," or "in all honesty..." on Wikipedia. The fact that these questions/suggestions above have been ignored for seven years really disappoints me. 2601:140:8302:E260:40D1:A979:1B44:2C3 (talk) 02:01, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2017
Change "that is small, flat and sweet" to "that is small, flat, generally round and squishy in the middle". Adeelabdullah (talk) 15:48, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not always true, and "squishy" is a terrible adjective for the lead sentence of an encyclopedia article. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 17:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

The article should be labelled 'Biscuit', not Cookie
The wiki says that 'In most English-speaking countries except for the US and Canada, crisp cookies are called biscuits' - so if in all other English speaking countries 'cookies' are called biscuits then surely the US & Canada are exceptions? Therefore it doesn't make much sense that the article's title is the exception. Surely the article should be titled Biscuit instead? Yes, there is already another article labelled 'Biscuit' for the American baked good, but can't we simply relabel that page 'Biscuit (American baked good)' or something similar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.138.146 (talk) 15:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually the biscuit article is mostly about those kind of item while the biscuit (bread) article is about the American kind. This article is about all cookies - both hard and soft. The article here also note that the soft ones are called cookies in many places that otherwise use biscuit. Rmhermen (talk) 21:55, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, because of the fact that the US has such a larger population than all other English-speaking countries in the world, if one analyzes it from the perspective of "number of native English speakers in the world who think X", it's clearly America in the lead, given that 62% of all native English speakers on the planet ARE American.


 * Sorry, UK. You need to make a lot more babies to win this argument, I'm afraid... :P "Just lay back, and think of England", indeed!
 * i agree that it should still be called "Cookie." Even though disambiguation pages can and should handle this controversy.
 * Just a point of information. There are more English speakers in China than any other country.  Maybe even than the rest of the world.    I see that the wikipedia article on the subject differs with me.  Just sayin'...  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:35, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I anticipated this line of reasoning, which is why I was very careful to insert the word "native" speaker. Sadly, you were less careful in reading it, though! ;) Just sayin'... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.59.44.65 (talk) 21:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Also, there aren't nearly that many speakers of English in China, for the record. Most people who claim it are just doing it to be trendy or because it's something that they think reflects well upon them or their employer, etc. The vast, overwhelming majority of them are not actually conversant in the language. I guarantee you that Germany has more actual fluent English speakers than China does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.59.44.65 (talk) 21:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * (for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population )

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2018
154.160.20.63 (talk) 19:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No request made. Rmhermen (talk) 19:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2019
Add new section that looks like this: Opinions of the general public Most people, especially in the United States of America, enjoy cookies. In fact, 95.2% of households in the United States of America consume cookies. However, a select few seem to disagree. According to an interview with a citizen on a public street, "Well, objectively, I really just prefer ice cream."

Sources: https://southfloridareporter.com/americans-eat-about-300-cookies-a-year-or-35000-cookies-in-a-lifetime/ Hell yeah, brother! (talk) 20:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is needed, and I don't think any of our food articles include sections like these. I can't find the primary study for this number, "95.2%", so I have reservations about it's value. The citizen's remark is funny but probably not that encyclopedic :) – Thjarkur (talk) 00:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2020
I want to change the info about cookies please and thank you Redboi69 (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself.  JTP (talk • contribs) 21:08, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020
Change mentions of Kellogg's to Ferrara/Ferrero. Kellogg's no longer owns Keebler. Mcozza2 (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Thjarkur (talk) 20:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Unnecessary statement?
"Cookies or biscuits may be mass-produced in factories, made in small bakeries or homemade." As opposed to what? One could substitute the word cookie in that sentence with practically any other English noun describing any baked good. It's not a unique statement that applies to a limited number of them. I think the statement is pretty much non-informative and should be removed. SentientParadox (talk) 22:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * slow reaction but yeah, gone. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 15:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2020
Can the wiki-code |author-link=Lynne Olver be added inside the following cite web reference:

If done correctly, the added code will make a wiki-link to the article for the author Lynne Olver as shown below:



-- 96.64.134.61 (talk) 00:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Danski454 (talk) 00:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2020
Add CookieMan in the manufacturer list 136.232.213.174 (talk) 12:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Does not have an article on Wikipedia – Thjarkur (talk) 13:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2021
I in my anecdotal life experience have never heard one Canadian refer to a cookie as a biscuit I would like this false and libellous statement to be removed. 142.113.124.78 (talk) 01:04, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK Talk 06:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Cookies versus biscuits
I concur with the last statement that for some countries cookies are distinct products from biscuits. In Australia the view is similar to that in the UK in that cookies are a distinctly American product, unlike biscuits. In Australia, cookies are viewed as being softer in texture and often much larger, whereas biscuits are generally harder.

There is an iconic Australian biscuit company, called Arnotts, which was taken over by the American Campbells soup company in 1997. Australian's were so parochial about Arnott's biscuit line that at the time, there was a significant concern that the American parent company would change Arnott's biscuit product line into a cookie line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagasseman (talk • contribs) 16:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "The term Biscuit to describe the Cookie has been the cause of debate. In the UK, it is commonly viewed that a 'biscuit' and 'cookie' are two different classifications, not to be used to describe the same food type. In the United Kingdom the term cookie often just refers to chocolate chip cookies or a variation (e.g. cookies containing oats, Smarties)."

This section was recently removed from the article as unsupported. Is there any truth to it? Rmhermen (talk) 04:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I for one am finding it very difficult to find a definition of what a UK Cookie is to provide evidence, but I wouldn't say it was a different classification to a biscuit - it IS a biscuit! In England, a Cookies is a 'type' of biscuit, just as Digestive, Bourbon, Custard Cream and Shortbread is a type of biscuit, albeit a type that comes in a variety of 'fillings' and flavours (usuallly, but not limited to, chocolate chips and/or nuts). They tend to have a 'lighter' (and more absorbant!) texture to many other types of biscuit, and come in a variety of sizes - and pretty much always look something like the cookie seen in the main picture. They are of course NOT defined by how they are packaged, as was implied elsewhere, and many mass-produced brand name cookies are packaged just like other biscuits. Unlike the (often larger) 'fresh baked' cookies you can buy at specialist stores and stalls, which are often soft and/or chewy on the inside inside, mass market cookies are harder and 'crispier'. Opwerty (talk) 18:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I must also add that in the British English, or rather more so in the United Kingdom, there is a difference between a cookie and a biscuit and I believe this should be stated on the page. (Jme Saunders (talk) 14:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC))


 * Is there a 3rd party source that explains the difference?!!!!

As some one who lives in theUnited Kingdom, I have always taken the term "cookie" to be the word in American English for what we call "biscuit". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I would also like to know when the term cookie came into general use to refer to any biscuit.  Nabisco or 'National Biscuit Company' in New Jersey, USA was established in the late 19th Century. They obviously still used the term biscuit for a hard biscuit or cracker product.   So when and why did it change...?    J.P.Lon (talk) 14:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * (American here) I don't know for certain when and why it changed (or even if it entirely did) but I would guess probably around the mid 20th century; as for the why, I think likely for two different particular causes. And, from my perspective (but other American dialects may be different), American "cookie" is not 100% synonymous with British "biscuit", and English biscuits that are sold here are still labelled "biscuits" (and there are also some American made products that are labelled as biscuits that fit the British definition as biscuit, so that meaning's not completely dead). I attribute it, though, to both the extreme popularity of cookies - of the variety that would be called so even in the UK - in the mid 20th century, when it was a staple for middle class housewives to bake them at home, then subsequently the American biscuit companies jumped on the bandwagon and started selling packaged cookies mass produced. That, and also around the same time the rise in popularity of the Southern biscuit, largely thanks to Kentucky Fried Chicken, which in British parlance are more like scones than biscuits (though they're not exactly the same thing as a scone, but similar). Firejuggler86 (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

As someone who lives in South Africa, I can say that the statement regarding the meaning of the word cookie in South African English is false - it is not used to refer to cupcakes at all. I can only surmise that the confusion arose because koek is Afrikaans for cake, and thus koekie, the dimunitive form, could be used to refer to a cupcake. However, koekie does not translate to cookie, thus this statement is false. I think there is little distinction in South African English between biscuit and cookie as far as I am aware. Ancalagon ZA (talk) 13:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Since the statement was also unsourced, I have taken the liberty of deleting it. --Saddhiyama (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2022
another name for cookies is "Santa Snacks" Nightskiing411 (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Another is "one of the many enemies of keto diets. Nightskiing411 (talk) 00:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Doubled up
"The American use is derived from Dutch koekje "little cake," which is a diminutive of "koek" ("cake"), which came from the Middle Dutch word "koke".[6] Another claim is that the American name derives from the Dutch word koekje or more precisely its informal, dialect variant koekie[7] which means little cake, and arrived in American English with the Dutch settlement of New Netherland, in the early 1600s.[8]"

Another claim *proceeds to reword previous sentence* lmao 96.54.196.88 (talk) 06:31, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Lets just say North Americans invented it like everything else on this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.215.198.4 (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2023
A cookie (American English), or a biscuit (British English) → A cookie (American English), or biscuit (British English) მარია ზაქარიაძე (talk) 05:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 05:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

"bar cookie" claimed to be an English phrase
Never heard of it in 40+ years. Are we sure it's English? The word "cookie" is hardly ever used in English (they're biscuits) except for American-style chocolate-chip ones. Equinox ◑ 23:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The Etymology section needs cleaned up
The Etymology section is very short and repetitive. The origin from Dutch is mentioned twice, but differently within two sentences.

The wikitionary entry might be a good foundation for this article's etymology section. 47.14.251.99 (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2023
I think that after cookies were invented in Persia I don think it to too long to add chocolate 2607:FB91:897:CC5E:294B:B03:7EF0:75E8 (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —&#8288;PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 22:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)36