Talk:Coors Field/Archives/2014

Blake Street Bombers

 * Correct me if I am wrong, but the Blake Street Bombers refer to the mid-1990s team, not the Rockies more generally, much in the way that Harvey's Wallbangers refers to the early 1980s Brewers and not the Brewers in general and The Big Red Machine refers to the 1970s Reds and not the Reds in general. --Beaker342 18:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

06:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You are mostly correct. The "Blake Street Bombers" can refer to the team back then, but more specifically the heavy-hitters of the lineup. Rockies enthusiasts typically agree that there were five Bombers: Dante Bichette, Ellis Burks, Vinny Castilla, Andrés Galarraga, and Larry Walker.

Stadium Logo
Football stadiums have their logo in the infobox, and this has spread over to baseball stadiums. I went through and created a standard format for the logos, and put them in for all the baseball parks, but found two that I could not get a logo for. This is one of them, and the other is Kauffman Stadium. If anyone has one, can find one, or can maybe, perhaps... can make a good looking one, please upload it and put it on my talk page. - Silent Wind of Doom 19:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Altitude claims
Why is the following presented as a contrary?

"While it is commonly believed that Denver's high altitude results in lower air pressure, the relative dryness of the air actually makes the atmosphere less dense than many other stadiums with more humidity."

Whoever wrote it makes it sound like it's NOT TRUE that altitude yields less-dense air, but ONLY low humidity does. Can we all agree that that's ridiculous? All things being equal (including humidity, temperature, etc.) Denver's air IS less dense than sealevel air. Low humidity is a separate factor, even if the reported dryness is actually caused solely by the altitude (and not in any part by the endemic semi-arid climate found in the Rockies' rainshadow). So there's a REAL altitude effect that might indeed be magnified by dryness, not an IMAGINARY altitude effect that's RIGHTLY attributed ONLY to dryness. 198.49.180.40 00:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Altitude issues
You are 100% correct that the above statement should not be presented as a contrary, becuase it presents the effect of humidity backwards the fact of the matter is that Coors feild does NOT have less dense air than other stadiums. The commonly stated "fact" that a ball will travel 10% farther in coors field due to thinner air is incorrect. Humid air is less dense than dry air (see the link to the humidity article for more detail) Denver has very dry air, to the extent that the increase in air density due to the lack of humidity actually outweighs the difference in air pressure due to Denver's altitude. the article as currently written is incorrect, I am editing it to reflect the fact that the overall density of the air is more than other stadiums, not less.

(above unsigned contribution added by Hercules rockefeller on July 6th, 2007)


 * We need sources, because right now it's just one person's word against another. --Beaker342 02:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

the reference is the wikipedia humidity article, which documents that humid air is less dense, and dry air is more dense. I may have made this issue more confusing by incorrectly editing the article to state that dryness makes air less dense, when in fact dryness makes are more dense. the previous wording did create a contradiction, becuase if dryness cuased less density, then the dryness would be magnifying the altitude factor, not countering the altitude. i aplogogize for not being more careful in my wording.

(above unsigned contribution added by Hercules rockefeller on July 11th, 2007)


 * It is true that humid air at sea level is less dense than dry air at sea level, and that humid air at one mile high is less dense than dry air at one mile high. However, if you calculate the effect it looks like air at Coors Field is always much less dense that air at Fenway Park, whatever the humidity.


 * Taking the humidity effect first, the humidity article shows that there is a only 30g of water per 1000g of air even at 100% humidity and 30C (pretty uncomfortably hot and humid for watching baseball). Therefore the density change from swapping water molecules for nitrogen or oxygen cannot be more than a 1% change.


 * On the other hand the effect of altitude is huge. Using the calibration factor for an altimeter I believe the formula to solve is (1-(P-hi/P-sea))^0.19 = (5280ft * 0.00198122)/288.15, which gives a pressure at one mile high that is 82% of the sea level pressure. The Atmospheric_pressure article shows that air pressure falls by 50% at 3 miles high, so 18% at one mile high looks like a reasonable guess.


 * Therefore it looks like the density of air is hugely affected by the ballpark's elevation, and only affected to a much lesser extent by a lack of humidity.   Ttwaring 19:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

"Altitude" is the wrong term
The word "altitude" describes height in the atmosphere above solid ground. Aircraft and clouds have altitude, but a city never does. The city of Denver has never left the ground. The word "elevation" describes one's position on solid ground with reference to a lower point. In the case of this article (as with the majority of the measurements of elevation on Earth), it should be said that Denver is at a higher elevation than other cities and Coors Field is at a higher elevation than other ballparks. I know it is tempting to say, "Well, the word altitude is the one commonly used, so what's the big deal?" However, one word is right to use, and the other is incorrect.

Struhs 06:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Home Runs
There is a line in the article that talks about factors that make the park a Home Run Friendly park. One of the factors is a "very limited foul territory area." Correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't seem to induce any more home runs than normal stadiums. Pgerrity 18:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it would have an effect. A large foul territory would mean that there is a far greater likelihood of a foul ball being caught. In a place like Coors, with very small amounts of foul territory behind home plate and by the bases, the same balls that might be outs in PETCO will go out of play in Coors, thus giving the hitter more chances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.0.22.194 (talk) 17:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Escalator Incident
There should be something about the escalator accident in the notable events section. I just saw something about it on tv last night, it sounded pretty serious. Maybe someone with some more info about it could put that up there?? All I know is it happened in 2003, and people got ground up by the escalator after it started going out of control. No one died, but it's pretty notable if you ask me. (jburnum (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC))

Controversies
I think a new section should be added under Features about all the controversies that have happened at Coors Field. In this section we can include the reputation for a hitter-friendly park, the humidor incidents of 2002, and also in 2010, and the escalator incident. --Slxception (talk) 05:51, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Sellout streak
Prior to Cleveland 1995-2001 (Jacobs Field, now called Progressive Field), the longest run of sellout home games in MLB was 203 in Denver. I don't know whether that streak began at Mile High Stadium; at least its latter part must have been at Coors Field; the prior record may have been broken at either Denver ballpark.

The sellouts should be mentioned here. Unfortunately the references for Cleveland 1995-2001 and Boston 200?- (Fenway Park) are not good, although one does identify 203 and Colorado Rockies.

I have noted the lack of a good reference on the Talk pages for those two ballparks also. One of them may turn up a good comprehensive reference. --P64 (talk) 16:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)