Talk:Copa América

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It's a shame that Wikipedia hasn't given the Copa América the same amount of attention as was paid to Euro 2004. Mintguy (T) 08:19, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * You've not seen this then? Noisy 00:03, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually I hadn't. I missed the link to that page on this article. I didn't scroll down to see the list of linked hosts. As it happens though, I also meant coverage on the main page. The ITN template carried many of the results of Euro 2004. Mintguy (T) 00:56, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I removed  Copa America 1937 and then moved Copa America 1937 stub to South American Championship 1937, obviously that needs expanding --Dryazan 03:11, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * i'm slowly adding the several copa americas. i'll do 1937, eventually. of course any help appreciated SpiceMan 03:11, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The next edition of Copa América will be played in 2007 (as shown in the link below), not in 2006: http://www.peru.com/futbol/AutoNoticias/DetalleNoticia40222.asp. PMLF 17 Nov 2004
 * I will fix it ASAP --Carioca 5 July 2005 23:21 (UTC)

The USA has accepted the invitation to play in the next Copa America. There is a link on the individual page for the 2007 Copa America. I don't have time to update this page at the moment, but hopefully someone else can. Theasfl 17:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Links

 * Argentine Squads in the Copa América 1916 - 1999 Mariano (t/c) 12:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oldest surviving national football competition in the world?
The first international football match was played in 1872 between England and Scotland, although at this stage the sport was rarely played outside Great Britain. As football began to increase in popularity, it was held as a demonstration sport (with no medals awarded) at the 1900 and 1904 Summer Olympics, and at the 1906 Intercalated Games football became an official competition at the 1908 Summer Olympics. To be correct, it would need to qualify itself as being a national event and outside the olympics. -- Alias Flood 15:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not quite. Football at summer olympics is nowadays a U-23 event, and before that it was restricted to amateur players only. That said, summer olympics are not a "national football event", but rather a "sports event", which happens to include football. SpiceMan (会話) 23:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I take that on board but I still think that for this article to claim this competition as the "oldest surviving national football competition in the world" without any qualification is misinforming, albeit I recognise that this has been stated in good faith. I really think that we need to qualify that statement or change it to "one of the oldest surviving national football competitions in the world". -- Alias Flood 23:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the title at FIFA's official website, it is the oldest world competition . You could argue that the title of the article is wrong, since there were competitions held previous to the South American Championship of Nations (which are not longer held nowadays). However, I guess FIFA is authoritative enough on this subject. I'll remove the under dispute template as the wikipedia article is even more accurate than FIFA itself, since it states "surviving". SpiceMan (会話) 00:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Thank you for the reference. -- Alias Flood 02:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

There is the British Home Championship which is older - it started in the 1800s. 88.110.197.215 20:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The British Home Championship begun in 1884 and was staged until the 1983-84 season. It has not been competed for since then (though there have been talks of re-introducing it in some format) so it is not relevant to this discussion as it is not a "surviving" competition. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦ · Talk 22:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Olympic Football Tournament is the oldest surviving international football competition. In 1908 it featured national teams for the first time. With the exception of the UK, all participating teams entered their full national teams. Matches from this tournament or recognised by both FIFA and the IFFHS as full internationals. It predates the South American Championship by eight years. Djln --Djln (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Flag of Paraguay
The flag of Paraguay is used anachronically all along the article. I tried to fix it, but I don't know why the right flag wouldn't appear after my changes. Please check it out. Regards. Ipsumesse (talk) 10:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Goal scorers
Why there is not a list of overall goal scorers? As they tend to be listed every other championship. For World Cup and European Championship there is also list of ALL scorers. But a list of about 20 to 40 most scored players would be fine, I think. 85.217.38.17 (talk) 03:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Still no progress on this. Are these known for all championships? As in the Asian Cup, all scorers are not known in some of the older championships. 85.217.22.47 (talk) 02:17, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Current champion: Iran?
Uh? Iran didn't play American Cup 2007 and the current champion is Brazil (They won 3-0 vs Argentina). Fix that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.246.185.27 (talk) 13:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Copa América's old name: sources
As I already wrote here, the article contained a mistake about Copa América's old name: the Copa América article here on en.wiki reads ''The tournament was previously known as sup Campeonato Sudamericano de Selecciones (South American Championship of National Teams). South American Championship of Nations was the official English language name''. Now, let's focus on Campeonato Sudamericano de Selecciones: if you take any South American source from the Sudamericano era, it will read "Campeonato Sudamericano de Football". For example, see here, the official Peruvian FA book on the 1927 edition: "Sudamericano de Football". I don't want to bore you linking all the sources, you can take a look at the AFA annual Memorias here (you can also check page numbers here). Additional sources can be found on the online version of the Jornal do Brasil on Google News, on 1926 issues of the Chilean magazine Los Sports, and others (if you want a more detailed list, I can provide other sources). What I think happened was: user JorgeGG writes "de Selecciones" on es.wiki. Everyone copies it, the mistake spreads worldwide. No one probably looked for South American original sources, they took for granted that es.wiki had the right answer, something that, in this case, was not true.

Just to be more specific, here come some sources:


 * AFA, Memoria correspondiente al ejercicio de 1917, Buenos Aires, 1918, p. 9.
 * AFA, Memoria correspondiente al ejercicio de 1919, Buenos Aires, 1920, p. 15.
 * AFA, Memoria correspondiente al ejercicio de 1920, Buenos Aires, 1921, p. 6. (and many other AFA Memorias)
 * FPF, X Campeonato Sud Americano de Football, 1927. (official Peruvian FA document)
 * Los Sports, October 8, 1926, p. 1.
 * La Unión, September 12, 1920, p. 1.
 * Poster for the 1942 edition in Uruguay (I don't know whether I can link it or not, just google it)
 * Post card for the 1919 edition in Brazil (same here)
 * Drawing by Rui Barbosa on the 1916 edition (same here).

And many other newspapers and magazines coming from the same period. All those read Campeonato Sudamericano de Football. I think the most reliable sources are the ones that were published during those competitions. We can not determine the correct name 90 years later, we have to search for the original sources. --Triple 8 (talk) 09:32, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Why was the name reduced? Copa América seems like it includes also North America. --2.245.84.255 (talk) 11:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Weird years
So what exactly is the reason the tournament isn't held strictly every four years, but at a strange, uneven interval? From 1975 to 1987 the tournament was held every four years, but after that, from 1989 to 2001 it was held once every two years. After that there was a three-year interval of 2004 and 2007, until in 2011 it finally returned to once every four years, returning next year in 2015. After that, however, it's in 2016. No clear reasoning behind it in my opinion. KarstenO (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


 * 2016 is a special anniversary and features CONCACAF teams as well. Normal Copa will be in 2019.Correctron (talk) 23:38, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The US was banned in 2011 and 2015 so Copa America desided to make it in 2016 so the US could play 65.175.243.206 (talk) 22:58, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Answer - mainly money. The tournament was hosted every 4 years from 1975-1983, held over several months with teams playing home and away agaisnt each other. From 1987 the rights to broadcast the tournament on TV were sold (suprisingly cheaply ;)), and the boradcasters prompted a move to a 2 yearly schedule, with all teams competing in a single tournament in one country: more matches, with a more televisual format. In 1993 guest teams were added (most notably Mexico) to open up new TV markets. The biannual format worked well in South America but didn't fit as well with football globalising, while there was an attempt to make the intenraitonal football calendar sync up a bit more during the early 2000s. This led to a push to a 4-year tournament, scheduled 1 year after a World Cup, before the start of the South American qualifying for the next World Cup. The 3 year gaps between 01-04-07 was basically a transitional arrangement between these schedules. 2016 (if it happens!) is a one-off special, again with eyes on money and specifically US Dollars! Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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Invitees nations record chart does not define abbreviations
The following abbreviations are not defined. QF GS

QF is likely Quarter Final GS is Group <?> to indicate the team did not advance to the quarter final Arm42 (talk) 13:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

GS is Group Stage,the team did not advance to the quarter final2602:306:CD9B:E9A0:5560:1889:FD95:84E (talk) 21:28, 13 June 2016 (UTC)ES

How often
I think more discussion on how often this is held is warranted. It appears that it used to be 2, then 3, then 4? All I saw was a comment about it previously being every 2 years. -KaJunl (talk) 01:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC) KaJunl (talk) 01:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Read "Weird Years" above2602:306:CD9B:E9A0:5560:1889:FD95:84E (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2016 (UTC)ES

America's Cup Hall of Fame
Why would people confuse this with the America's Cup Hall of Fame? I realise the America's Cup itself is also Copa America in Spanish, but then the reference still shouldn't be to the Hall of Fame. I'm guessing the Copa America (disambiguation) page should be enough to help confused sailing enthusiast find their way. Any reasons not to remove this reference to the hall of fame? 124.123.207.35 (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Update: there do not seem to be any objections, so I'm removing the reference. 124.123.207.35 (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Dates at the start of ‘Beginnings’ subsection
It seems a little confusing to me that the first recorded football match in South America was in 1867, eight years after the first football team in South America was established in 1859. Are these dates correct, and if so, does the (apparent) discrepancy need explaining? JezGrove (talk) 12:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's about the word recorded. There seems to be no older source than for that match, just like a city can be older than it's first mention in history. Also, the first football team was maybe just playing a bit for fun and only for themselves in their free time without any opponent? Or maybe they were just playing cricket or rugby football? It seems that we don't know it because 1859 is a pretty long time ago. I mean they're even older than the english FA and their official foundation of association football. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 02:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Quote from their article: "Despite its members played football since its origins, the club's first recorded football match was in 1893." --SamWinchester000 (talk) 02:52, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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Invitees
I think this section should have it own article. See Spanish version.

--Virkuz-Thunderboldt (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2018

Frequency
The lead section should contain some text on how often the tournament is held. --LukeSurlt c 16:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

2015
The Copa América (English: America Cup) or CONMEBOL Copa América, known until 1975 as the South American Football Championship (Campeonato Sudamericano de Fútbol in Spanish and Campeonato Sul-Americana de Futebol in Portuguese),[1] is the top men's football tournament contested among national teams from South America. It is the oldest still-running continental football competition, as well as the third most watched in the world.[2] The competition determines the champions of South America.[2][3][4] Since the 1990s, teams from North America and Asia have also been invited to compete. 5.36.222.74 (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Why didn’t they have simultaneous group kickoffs before?
Did they not think of the Disgrace of Gijon? 142.188.68.174 (talk) 01:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Americas vs South America?
Why does the description of the tournament say it's "contested among national teams from South America?" Competitors obviously come from all over Central America, the Caribbean, and North America.

Is this just a hold-over from the old days? Can it be corrected?

21:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC) Lyn (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)