Talk:Copropraxia

Sexual touching, feces smearing.
This article has remained without any references whatsoever related to the subject for too long. There was only a reference to coprolalia, clearly not the same thing, and largely irrelevant. SandyGeorgia said on July 22 "I do find it astounding that we have to mention anywhere at any time that *all* Wikipedia content should be cited to reliable sources." But the statements in this article about copropraxia have had no sources at all, without examination of how reliable they are. I added two references found at Google Book search. One said that copropraxia included inappropriate sexual touching. SandyGeorgia promptly removed it, claiming that it was "Not true," without a reference to the effect, but with criticism that the reference cited, a book found on Google Book search, did not meet the standards for Wikipedia. "Not true" is original research, when a cited reference says otherwise. A second reference, stating that the term also referred to smearing feces or to touching the anus, was also removed with a demand that the reference be put on this discussion page. It would have been simpler for her to just look at the reference, to which I provided a link. I refuse to violate the copyright of the author by pasting the entire relevant passage here, when it can be read by a simple click. See the link cited in "Brain injury and mental retardation: psychopharmacology and neuropsychiatry" by C. Thomas Gualtieri:. If there is a Wikipedia article on "copropraxia," it should include the second meaning of the term, as found among some institutionalized populations. This deletion of cited information should be undone. And if the removed references are not good enough for Wikipedia, then how is the one reference in the article, to "Dictionary.com," an anonymously edited website, a reliable source for medical information? Edison (talk) 00:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Couple of things wrong with your logic-- the solution to a bad article is not to do things to make it worse. Please see WP:MEDRS-- I presume you know who these authors are ('cuz I do, and they aren't the kinds of sources we should be using).  As soon as I have a free moment, I will locate some real sources and try to fix things up here, but adding text sourced to "someone who considers themselves an expert on TS and got published" isn't the way we source medical articles, even if it was poorly sourced before MEDRS was written.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Sources for Citation
The addition of new information pertaining to this subject is in progress. Articles that will be used are listed:

Copropraxia. (n.d.). Retrieved March 16, 2015, from http://www.tourette-london.ca/ae0040.htm

FREEMAN, R. D., ZINNER, S. H., MÜLLER-VAHL, K. R., FAST, D. K., BURD, L. J., KANO, Y., & ... STERN, J. S. (2009). Coprophenomena in Tourette syndrome. Developmental Medicine & Child Neurology, 51(3), 218-227. doi:10.1111/j.1469-8749.2008.03135.x

Ncarmack (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * , Neither Tourettte-london.ca nor are sources that comply with Wikipedia sourcing guidelines.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Multiple
From this series of edits: Please review WP:MEDRS, WP:MEDMOS and Wikipedia's conventions for linking to other articles for info that is duplicated here. I am removing this entire edit. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) "These gestures are undesired by the person committing the expression" ... is true of all tics and can be better explained at the tic article.
 * 2) Ask the Expert is an informal, interview format from an advocacy organization-- not a WP:MERS-compliant source.
 * 3) "In extreme cases, the person may even inappropriately though strangers  ..." is not a sentence.  In spite of being very familar with this topic, I am unable to decipher what may have been intended.
 * 4) http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids is not a WP:MEDRS-compliant source.
 * 5) "Copra" meaning dung and "Praxia" meaning activity or movement is the breakdown meaning of Copropraxia ... duplicates (incorrectly) text that was already in the article.
 * 6) Copropraxia, as as Coprolalia, are symptoms of "Coprophenomena", which is perhaps the most well-known behaviors associated with Tourette's syndrome, and often occur during adolescence or even adulthood. ... this is incorrect in several ways.
 * 7) One in five males, along with one in seven females, with Tourette's develop coprolalia and significantly fewer ever have Copropraxia. ... peer reviewed sources disagree with these numbers.
 * 8) Emotional or physical stress can increase "tic" severity, including symptom frequency, intensity, interference, and complexity. ... true of tics, off-topic here.