Talk:Core Four/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Grondemar (talk · contribs) 04:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

While this is a pretty good article with a lot of potential, I have several major concerns as noted below:


 * First sentence: "The Core Four is a term commonly used to refer to New York Yankees players Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Jorge Posada, and Mariano Rivera." Commonly among whom?  Rather than attempt to cite the term's commonness, I'd recommend dropping the word.  Also, don't assume worldwide audiences know what the New York Yankees are; I'd link the word "baseball" somewhere in that first sentence.
 * The game of the article is "Core Four", but the caption of the first picture talks about the "Key Three". I know that you define Key Three at the end of the lead, but readers will most likely read the picture caption first and get confused.  I'd recommend changing the caption to something like: "Three members of the Core Four: Jorge Posada (left), Mariano Rivera (center), and Derek Jeter (right), also known as the Key Three.
 * "Andy Pettitte had a break in his "service time" when he played in Houston for three seasons, before returning to the Yankees in 2007." Seems too informal and perhaps slightly less than neutral to me.
 * I'd recommend rewriting the lead more chronologically for better flow. Mention that the four came up together in 1995 and played together on the four Yankees World Series teams of the late 1990s.  Mention when Pettitte left for Houston and when he returned, and the World Series championship in 2009.  Then mention Pettitte's retirement and the Key Three.
 * Rather than start with the Beginnings section, I'd recommend starting with a Members section that takes your Individual milestones section and adds a great bit more biographical detail, with main links to the players' individual articles. Right now the article doesn't clearly introduce who these people are and why they are important.
 * "Both Jeter and Rivera were demoted back to the minors in June (after the latter gave up a home run to Edgar Martinez)." I doubt they sent down Jeter just because Rivera gave up a home run!
 * "Later on during the same season, Jeter and Posada were placed in the same hotel in New Jersey and shared a car together in order to travel to and from Yankee Stadium." Even though this is cited, it is of questionable notability. I'm sure many players promoted from the minors share hotels and commute together.
 * This article really needs a better chronology. Currently the stats come from all directions and don't give the reader a sense of when things happened.
 * The source for the Andy Pettitte picture marks it as copyrighted. I have tagged it for deletion on Commons.  It still might be kept, since there's a chance that the user on Flickr tried to revoke a free license which is not allowed.

Unfortunately, due to concerns with prose quality, broadness and comprehensiveness of content, and the one image's copyright status, that I do not believe can be addressed within the normal 7 day GAN period, I am failing this nomination at this time. I do encourage you to work on the suggestions above and renominate when the article is improved; I believe there is a lot of potential here, and this article could eventually serve as a nice main article for a Featured Topic.

Best of luck, –Grondemar 04:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I'm not the nominator, but I will be involved in improving this article going forward. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:36, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your time in reviewing this article. – Bloom6132 (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)