Talk:Corpse Bride/Archive 1

Trivia
The article doesn't have a Trivia section, yet I've found something interesting. The piano Victor plays near the beginning is a “Barryhausen”. This is probably a reference to Harryhausen, whom Burton admired. Is it relevant enough? I think it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.16.144 (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivis is not considered to encyclopaedic by Wikipedia's standards. Please remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and therefore trivia is irrelevant and inappropriate. 78.149.220.160 (talk) 15:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Origins
The two paragraphs about there being a Christian allegorical theme of attraction-based versus kind/charitable love, and the two brides being based on those two types of love seems contradictory -- to the stated fact that the story is, apparently based, on a "Russian-Jewish folktale."*

Although the Christian/Jewish contradiction may be attributed to the relationship between the two religions, the fact that the entire thing is made clear by the fact that the meanings of love "come out better in Latin" raises a few red flags for me. Hell, Russian isn't even a Romance language.

On top of all that, I can find no evidence that Theophile Guerin ever existed, or his 1836 book about a monk and a dead woman.

It's very interesting as an idea, but since this information of Guerin is given rather than a citation, I say that the entire two paragraphs should be IMMEDIATELY deleted.

However, I've already spent too much time writing all this and researching that, and am too unsure to actually delete it.

If i get around to rechecking this discussion and no one has said anything or disagreed, I will edit the entry, as there is no citation and it seems unfactual and invented -- fictional.


 * also, on further investigation, I can find no hard evidence that ANYTHING in the corpse bride is based on ANYTHING else, folk tales or anything of that matter. I'm going to do some serious deleting soon unless anyone disagrees and can CITE SOME SOURCES.

Thalleck 10:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)THalleck

Plot from official website
I removed it, because it looked ugly and sounded, well, like it was taken from the official website and therefore didn't sound like a Wikipedia article. I'd rather see someone rephrase the plot...

[Taken From the Official Flash Website]

In a small, gloomy, repressed Victorian town, two shy young people are set to be wed – although they’ve never before met.

Crass, social-climbing canned-fish tycoons Nell and William Van Dort have always dreamt of joining high-society – but while they’re not lacking in wealth, they’re sorely lacking in requisite class.

Conversely, old-money aristocrats Maudeline and Finis Everglot, direct descendents of the Duke of Everglot – as they will freely profess to anyone who will listen – are full of class but drained on cash. Their money has long ago dried up, and all they have left of worth is their name, social standing and – as it turns out – their daughter Victoria. While they’ve never seen much worth in her, she may just be their ticket back up the social ladder, as it seems the Van Dorts have a bachelor son, Victor.

The Everglots are willing to hold their noses and grudgingly marry Victoria off to the dreadful Van Dorts – nouveau-riche is still riche after all. The deal is made, and the two families are quickly in a tizzy, as everyone is quite excited about the impending nuptials – except for the bride and groom. But everybody knows marriage isn’t about love anyway – just ask Maudeline and Finis!

Victor and Victoria first set eyes on each other on the eve of their wedding, when the families gather for a proper introduction between the soon-to-be-newlyweds, to be immediately followed by a wedding rehearsal. While it’s difficult to say who is shyer, upon their first meeting it seems possible that against all odds, Victor and Victoria’s chance for true love may not have been lost.

But at the rehearsal, Victor bungle his vows so badly – even before lighting his mother-in-law’s dress on fire – that Pastor Galswells sends him away until he can learn his lines correctly.

Humiliated, he wanders off into the dark forest surrounding the village. Once he is alone, he is able to recite his vows perfectly, even going so far as to gently place the wedding ring on the root of a tree as a finishing touch.

But it isn’t a root after all.

Terrifyingly, the strange and beautiful corpse of a woman wearing the tattered remains of a wedding gown rises up out of the ground, wearing Victoria’s ring on her bony finger. It seems Victor has unwittingly betrothed himself to the Corpse Bride.

Ever since she was mysteriously murdered on her wedding night, the Corpse Bride has waited, heart-broken, for her groom to come and claim her. While her heart may have stopped beating long ago, her search for true love, and a husband to share her eternal rest with, has never ended. Victor has mistakenly become that groom, and is dragged down beneath the earth to the Land of the Dead a rowdy reversal of the staid life he has always known – the pubs are always open and the corpses are more lively than anything you will find above ground in the dull, somber Land of the Living.

Victor tries in vain to find his way back to Victoria, who is waiting bereft in the Land of the Living, unable to convince anyone that a dead woman has dragged her fiancé off to the underworld. Instead of helping their daughter, the Everglots hastily arrange a second wedding, this time to the mysterious and sinister Baron Bittern, who just happens to be at the right place at the right time to take Victoria’s hand.

While the Corpse Bride is determined not to let him escape the bonds of their unholy matrimony, Victor must find a way to return to the Land of the Living, and back into the arms of the love of his life. Signed, --Deadworm222 09:14, September 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * Dunno if this would help, but I found [an interesting forum thread] that supplies quite a few more details... -- Limulus 08:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Verification
Would someone please verify that this is actually a Jewish-Russian fairy tale? That contribution was made by User:68.111.238.67, whose other contributions were vandalism. Until verified, I've removed the "Jewish" part. Meelar (talk) 23:20, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

Could someone verify that there were a practice of killing jewish brides during porgroms? I've tried to search this in Google, but could not find any confirmation of this. In the meantime I've changed statement "young women were ripped from their carriages and killed" to "young women WERE TOLD to be ripped from their carriages and killed" Kuntz 19:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I think you mean "Were Said to have been". I know it's just a typo, but your version made me think of some father saying "You are going to be ripped from your carriage and killed, and you will LIKE it, Young Lady!"--Saxophobia 20:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Filming Techniques
"This movie is unique in that it was shot using digital technology." That's ambiguous and misleading. Lots of films have had their principal photography shot using digital imagers (Star Wars Episodes II and III come to mind.) It's more accurate to say, Corpse Bride is the first to combine digital-photography with stop-motion animation, on the scale of a feature-length film. Sept 18, 2005

"urusei yatsura"
The "Misc" section contains a paragraph comparing Corpse Bride to the 1980s Japanese anime Urusei Yatsura. I just don't think it should be there. The author even admitted that it's most likely unintentional. The plot of the movie was taken directly from the original folktale... I highly doubt that Burton would look to '80's anime for inspiration... Hell, I don't think I've ever heard him speak of anime.

Since it pretty much has no basis in fact, I think that paragraph should just be passed off as fancruft and deleted. --Marcg106 02:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Box office returns
Does anyone know how much this film made for opening weekend? It can't be as much as $10 million, since that's how much Serenity made. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The two films didn't open head-to-head. Tim Burton's Corpse Bride opened in very limited release in the USA (5 theaters) on Sept. 16, grossing $388,166 that weekend.  Its second weekend, it played in 3,204 theaters and grossed $19,145,480.  Serenity didn't open until Sept. 30, the third weekend overall for Corpse Bride.  See Box Office Mojo for details. --Metropolitan90 05:47, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

"Jewish Tradition"
Uh, "In the Jewish tradition, a body is buried in the clothes in which it died, and so the brides were buried in their gowns." is not true, as far as I know. Jews are buried in a simple white burial garment. Men are traditionally buried wrapped in their talis, or prayer shawl..

The future?
Corpse Bride won the Ub Iwerks Award for technical achievements and a new way to shoot a movie, among other things by using digital still cameras instead of film cameras. But what consequences will this have for the future of filmmaking? In what way will the new techniques influence the way movies are made (and I'm talking about movies in general, not just stop-motion films)?

"Phantom" reference
What exactly are the close ties between Leroux's written novel and the movie, I can't think of any off the top of my head, but maybe I have just forgotten...

Digital Resolution?
I'm having hard time pinning down exactly what resolution Corpse Bride was "filmed" in. I imagine that the Canon EOS-1D Mark II's full resolution was used, and then the resulting images were cropped for the final theatrical aspect ratio. The resolution 4096x2160 keeps coming up in google searches, but that may just be the resolution of 4K scanning and not the actual resolution used, especially since it is beyond the maximum horizontal resolution of the Canon EOS-1D Mark II, which is 3,504x2,336. So what was the post cropping resolution of Corpse Bride? (and for that matter the pre-cropping resolution?)

Goofs, Trivia, Etc.
I'm a stranger to how you film buffs over on this side of the Wikisphere work, but I figured I might just throw this out and see what the response is.

Looking at the "Mistakes and Goofs", as well as "Trivia" sections ... wouldn't it possibly be best to try and combine the two sections under one blanket section? Also, I'm wondering if it is in the best interest of the article to just do a C&P job of every single "Goof" from the IMDB website for the movie. What I mean to ask is if it is really necessary. It's great and all to have some trivia and things to point out that an article reader may be interested, but I don't know that it works the way it currently is in the article.

Anyway, those are just a couple of observations I wanted to toss out. Maybe someone with a better grasp on Wikifying movie articles could respond, or take those ideas into consideration? Thanks. :D--Resident Lune 21:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think all the trivia/goofs should be deleted and just link to IMDB. WP is not a backup. 203.218.87.69 02:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I was struck by the resemblance Mayhew had to the old men that used to appear in the animated sequences of "Monty Python".

Still Camera
I'm sure that Corpse Bride was not the first movie shot with a still camera, since that's pretty common in stop-motion animation. It was the first movie shot with a digital still camera.--Syd Henderson 18:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Bonejangles, The Skeleton
Bonejangles is definetly not a major character or even a supporting character, he has a song and about 3 other lines, but is a minor character none-the-less. I would like to delete his bio from the page as Victor is the main character, Victoria is a major character, and Emily is the titular character. Anyone object? Therequiembellishere 20:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I do. Bonejangles is a supporting character. Seeing as there's enough information to have his own section, I say that we just add more to Victor, Victoria, and Emily's section instead of deleting Bonejangles's section.---Releeshan 21:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Haunted Mansion
I've removed the section on the Phantom Manor/Disneyland/Haunted Mansion Holiday connections. There's no citation, and very OR. Any paragraph that begins, "It's easy to tell that..." is suspect.  PacificBoy  17:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Characters
I think that having sections for every character in the movie is un-necessary. I'd like to remove all character sections except for the sections for: Any objections? --Releeshan 22:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Victor
 * Emily
 * Victoria
 * Nell and William van Dort
 * Finis and Maudeline Everglot
 * Barkis
 * Bonejangles


 * Yes! I think there should be a section on each character. It helped me find what I needed to know. Darth Skynyrd 01:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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Russian-Jewish folk tale?
I am Russian-Jewish, born and raised, and never have I heard of this folk tale... Can someone specify the name of this tale plz? --KpoT (talk) 00:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)