Talk:Corrugated fiberboard

Merged
I merged from Corrugated board. I'm a little suspicious that may have been a copyvio. Google turned up nothing but it seemed like it might be out of a book. Here's the original version. Rhobite 02:06, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Corrugated board is not refered to as cardboard in the industry. The kraft paper employed is FIBREBOARD.  CARDBOARD IS A MISNOMER.  The first I ever heard of is a hand driven press that formed the single corrugated paper to protect glass products.


 * @Rhobite to whoever wrote the above reply, that may the technical definition, but the common one is cardboard. Language changes, no?

Jondvdsn1 (talk) 08:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Sweaty hats
I changed the bit about sweaty hats, which I think was a confused extract from some external web pages. These pages generally say that the cardboard box came in 1817, and corrugated paper was invented in 1856 for cushioning hat linings - not for soaking up sweat. This doesn't rule out the possibility that flat cardboard was used before 1856 for stiffening hats. --Heron 12:53, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Rhobite 14:46, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

Corrugated paper
It is called corrugated paper in the industry. I added this to the title paragraph but, perhaps, the article should be moved Rsduhamel 07:45, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I believe that "corrugated cardboard" is the most common term in general usage, though, and according to Naming conventions (common names) the most common name of something is the preferred name to use as an article title. Bryan 09:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not exactly correct. I worked in the corrugated box and display business for 7 years, and 9 times out of 10 it is simply referred to as "corrugated". Thanks. -GC, 10-4-05

Good enough. That's why I commented here before moving the page. Rsduhamel 22:28, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Come now. Everybody who will be looking for it will surely be searching for 'corrugated cardboard'? Can't cardboard be not corrugated? Like card backing board? And why is there no mention of its insulating properties?

You are correct, cardboard is NOT corrugated. Corrugated board is corrugated, and cardboard is cardboard. Ne'er the twain shall meet! -GC, 10/13/05

stasinovis - I can't find a reference to this anywhere on the internet except for this page. yer sure u can

Another supporting interjection that corrugated and cardboard are absolutely different products. It has always boggled me, however, how an adjective like 'corrugated' could be commonly used as a noun in the industry, but it is. And I've regularly heard non-industry people refer to cartons as 'corrugated boxes'. I definitely think the 'corrugated' should link directly to this page, and the title should be either 'corrugated' or 'corrugated paper'. Funny, I also notice that 'chipboard' also links here - which is just kooky-talk. Who can fix this? Detriment 04:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone can fix the first, since corrugated doesn't exist as a page. #REDIRECT Cardboard is what is needed. (Sorry, I don't know if you're new to mediawiki markup or not.) As far as moving the page to a different, it's probably best to review policies first, which seem to be linked from WP:MOVE.  Sometimes, the "layperson" term should be used, IIRC.  --GargoyleMT 14:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Chipboard?
Chipboard redirects here, but there's no mention of it in the article. PolarisSLBM 20:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm changing the Chipboard redirect to point to Particle board. If anyone knows a sense of "chipboard" that should point here, make a disambiguation page. Butsuri 01:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Cardboard dyed brown?
I've been unable to verify the claim that recycled cardboard is dyed brown. I ran across the fact on a website of dubious factuality, gullible.info. It doesn't appear to be truthful so I've removed it. Cr0ssfire 08:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not dyed brown. Also, most corrugated liner (the paper sheets that are used to actually make the board) contains some recycled content. —GC 3/12/07

Re: Empire Packaging
I removed the bit about Empire Packaging, as it seemed wholly promotional and not germaine to the article. Let's just say there are many corrugated box companies out there, and many of them are quite a bit older than Empire Packaging. —GC 3/12/07

Corrugating machinery details
The comment that Corrugating equipment runs in excess of 500m/min is just false. SOME new corrugating lines run at that speed, most lines out there still have a max speed of about 300m/min pjdjr in covingon ga. i`m an operator on a high speed corrugator running in excess of 1300 fpm its a bhs b/c flute module facer w/ fosber slitter and stacker slow speed around 575fpm. paper changes @750fpm. 8 hr. production goal 38,000 lineal feet per hour, 304,000 ft.per shift. 68.114.42.103 (talk) 07:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)pjdjr70@charter.net68.114.42.103 (talk) 07:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC) § What is the widest corrugated fiberboard sheet produced? § — Preceding unsigned comment added by EZBoxJim (talk • contribs) 00:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Flutes
It would be good if a section could be created for solely the different sizes of the flutes. It's important to note that these vary from country to country however, the fact that they're recorded imperially is a bit confusing for the majority of the Earth's population.

Added metric conversion for flute sizes. I may format as a table later on though BrendanNZ 06:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Cardboard
The term "cardboard" is incorrect. Some lay people call corrutated fiberboard cardboard. Some call paperboard cardboard. Some call the material used in playing cards cardboard. The correct term for this is corrugated fiberboard. I have reverted back the the correct terminoloty. Rlsheehan June 26, 2007
 * The most common lay term I know is "Corrugated cardboard", as opposed to normal Cardboard, which runs the spectrum from thick paper to ~1mm thick (or more?) fibreboard 128.232.228.174 (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Single-Face vs Single-Wall; Double-Wall
The terms "single-face", "single-wall", "double-wall", etc. should be illustrated with a graphic. Reason: Newbies like me should be able to see these common, standard terms so others will understand what we mean when we use them. I spotted a suitable graphic within the website http://www.acca-website.org/  However, I can't simply refer to the website because you have to follow links within it to get to the graphic (Corrugated, then Corrugated Sheet Type). I don't want to copy-and-paste because I don't know about permissions. Would someone please improve the article on this? Oaklandguy (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Corrugated Box
A new article on corrugated boxes has been started. Some of the material here has been moved there. This will allow more room for discussion and input from other editors. The article on cardboard boxes seems to be for lay people and households. Rlsheehan (talk) 23:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Box Design
The section on box design is poor and very short. This should be expanded. I think there could be enough material for a separate article on the process and design options. Comments? Pkgx (talk) 00:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have looked into the subject and believe it to be too long for this corrugated fiberboard article. I will start a new article on the process and considerations for design of corrugated boxes.  Input from other editors is welcome.  Pkgx (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No negative comments were receieved on the 16 Dec proposal so I started the article on Corrugated box design. Additional editorial input is welcome to this.   Pkgx (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Oops
I intended to delete the 1st sentence of the "History" section because it referred to the invention of corrugated board as being "ingenious" (which I believe to be a violation of NPOV. Also, all of the info in that sentence could be found repeated further down in the same section.  However, the first time I submitted my edit, I had typed out my edit description but hadn't, actually, made the edit itself.  I followed it up with my actual edit (now in the edit history) and an edit comment that referred to the previous edit.  Unfortunately, unknown to me at the time, Wikipedia doesn't seem to record edits that don't actually change anything.  So, my edit now has an edit comment that doesn't make much sense.  Sorry for the mix-up.  Of course, if someone who knows more about such things than me believes that the sentence should stay then, by all means, feel free to revert the article. Colecoman1982 (talk) 18:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Recycling
I have a keen interest in this material, which I call corrugated kraftboard, by the way. For years, used boxes have been the raw material for many elaborate projects. But my concern here is with encyclopedic writing. "Film-backed pressure sensitive tape stays intact: the PSA adhesive and the backing are both removed together.[5]" The problem here is with the meaning or antecedent of PSA. I guessed pressure sensitive adhesive, which makes the next word redundant. I guessed again when I read the associated note [5], "...to recycle of not." The guess is that of should be or. Usually when I encounter an obvious and understandable error in Wikipedia, I just fix it, but I don't know what is right here. I appreciate the general scope and coverage of this subject here, but being that this is one of my favorite subjects, I request that you please make a few adjustments. Thanks Anewcharliega (talk) 05:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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