Talk:Corruption in China

Sourcing?
I find the second paragraph of the 'Effects' to be troublesome. "Others, including local officials, libertarian economists, and neoliberal intellectuals, play down the negative impacts of corruption... including admirers of Hayek, argue along the same lines." It's sourced but to nothing verifiable online. Perhaps we could find another source to firm that this is actually a stated position of libertarian or neoliberal intellectuals. Right now it just reads as a smear that stands apart from rest of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle.dionneclark (talk • contribs) 20:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

anyone watching?
I've got three books here: Corruption by Design (Melanie Manion), Corruption and Market in Contemporary China (Yan Sun), and Cadres and Corruption (Lu Xiaobo), and will start adding info from them to this article sometime in the next few days. In case anyone else is watching/concerned with this topic, just a heads up. I usually work in bursts. Probably will restructure the article and add a lot of info, if there are no objections. If you have some ideas about online sources, please advise. I was going to try the CECC and some NGO sites anyway.--Asdfg12345 15:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

quickly putting this here for use later in the article:

How the West Was Yuan. By: W. P. B.,Forbes, 00156914, 3/13/2006, Vol. 177, Issue 5

An estimated 4,000 Chinese officialsaccused of assorted economic crimes have fled abroad, taking along theequivalent of upwards of $50 billion, says Xinhua News Agency, an officialpropaganda organ of the Chinese government. The U.S. seems to have been apreferred destination for those seeking to escape the punishment of--inXinhua's own words--"a bullet in the back of the neck." But latelyU.S. authorities have begun prosecuting suspects and even extraditing them toChina for trial after receiving official promises there of no-death-penaltypunishment. Regarding all those missing yuan--something above $1.25million-plus per missing head--Xinhua says ruefully, "Few … have beenrecovered."

Links
>> Chinese general arrested for gilded lifestyle(Lihaas (talk) 14:42, 18 January 2014 (UTC)).
 * Denyer, Simon (February 11, 2015). "Without corruption, some ask, can the Chinese economic system function?". Washingon Post
 * Wan, William (July 2, 2014). "Without corruption, some ask, can the Chinese economic system function?". Washingon Post
 * Yang, Jia Lynn (July 25, 2013). "Jilted mistresses expose Chinese officials’ corruption". Washingon Post --  Ohc  ¡digame! 05:08, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yu, Jess Macy (December 18, 2014). "With Families Refusing to Return, ‘Naked’ Officials Are Demoted". Sinosphere, The New York Times.
 * "Despite Crackdown, Corruption Seen as Worsening". China Digital Times (December 2014) --  Ohc  ¡digame! 05:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Using Political Connections to Achieve Business Goals
This might be a controversial inclusion since there's varying opinion on how close government and commerce should be, even among western countries, but I think something should be added.

Quick source: https://hbr.org/2014/07/in-china-political-ties-are-keeping-poorly-performing-firms-afloat

It can be considered a form of corruption, especially in more liberal economies outside USA. Weewaterasia (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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feel like the intro needs to be rewritten....
any objections? Happy  monsoon  day  00:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

guessing that means no objections Happy   monsoon  day  18:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Health bribery scandals?
What about the bribery scandals involving GSK and Sanofi? --Signimu (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Countermeasures section seems to lack neutrality and one of the sources is being used a little too generously for how outdated it is
Initially noticed the section due to some biased wording ("The CPC has tried a variety of anti-corruption measures, constructing a variety of laws and agencies in an attempt to stamp out corruption, but almost none have been proven to be even mildly effective."), but I'm confused at a source in this section being used over and over. Source 21 (Michael Johnston, "Corruption in China: Old Ways, New Realities and a Troubled Future", United Nations Public Administration Network. Retrieved January 29, 2010) is almost twenty years old and seems like a somewhat outdated source to continuously reference in a section like Countermeasures, considering the advent of a large anti-corruption campaign was created in 2012. Also, the Means section fails to attribute a full-quote to an author, but I'm new to Wikipedia and not sure if I should amend the quotation marks or remove it entirely since the two sentences are a direct-quote.

Means section: "The PLA has also become a major economic player, and participant in large- and small-scale corruption at the same time. Inconsistent tax policy, and a politicised and poorly organised banking system, create ample opportunities for favouritism, kickbacks, and "outright theft," according to Michael Johnston, Professor of Political Science at Colgate University in Hamilton, New York."

Sourced material: "The People's Liberation Army has become a major economic player -- and participant in corruption both grand and petty -- in its own right. Changing and inconsistently-enforced tax policies, and a politicized, poorly-organized system of banking and finance, create numerous opportunities for favoritism, kickbacks, and outright theft. "


 * Perhaps Countermeasures section could include links to some of the "See Also" articles like this:
 * Anti-corruption campaign under Xi Jinping
 * Crime in China
 * Anti-Corruption and Governance Research Center, School of Public Policy and Management, Tsinghua University
 * International Association of Anti-Corruption Authorities (IAACA) in Beijing
 * Three-anti/five-anti campaigns (1951/1952)
 * Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the Communist Party of China
 * National Supervisory Commission
 * Independent Commission Against Corruption (Hong Kong)
 * Commission Against Corruption (Macau)

Could someone let me know if there's an established way of going about editing a section that leans in too heavily on outdated info? Also confused at the citations section, it looks like citation styles are used indiscriminately but not sure which style was used first. Coldcough (talk) 09:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)