Talk:Cosimo I de' Medici

Peer Review II
This is a great article on a relevant historical figure. In my opinion, the article's strongest feature is the variety of techniques used to inform the reader. There are images of paintings, charts, and text that make the article visually appealing and easy to read. Also, the article does a good job of serving as a connector -- there are internal links throughout, external links listed at the bottom, redirection links, and even a "See Also" section for similar articles. There is an adequate amount of sources listed, both as footnotes and as listed references at the bottom of the article. However, the article would be improved with a little more information on Cosimo I's historical significance. What is listed leaves little room for subjectivity (which is good), but it doesn't really give me an idea of why he's important. Maybe you could include a sentence or two in the lede of his most famous accomplishments/historical significance. Also, a sentence or two on his position, Grand Duke of Tuscany, would be helpful -- what does one do, why was he the first, how much power does the position hold, etc. For the most part though, this is a well-rounded article that is visually appealing and informational. Sscline (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

^^ Great review and suggestions, if you don't mind me adding to your proposed "historical significance" section. After being named the Grand Duke of Tuscany, Cosimo I's reduction the Florentine guilds (from 14 to 4, I believe) significantly reduced the political power of the guilds and opened Florentine trade to the rest of Tuscany. Bennett 11:40, May 15, 2013 (EST)

Issue
Don't you all think it's a bit odd that Cosimo and Eleonora had 15 children? In reality they had 8 children. they were:

Francesco Maria Isabella Giovanni Lucrezia Garzia Ferdinando Pietro

I know for sure that Bia de' Medici was an Illegitimate daugher of Cosimo, but I know nothing about the other 6 children left. The article now states that they were all children of Cosimo and Eleonora, and that's completely False. I suggest to delete them or to make a new section about illegitmate children. --82.53.56.216 15:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Why do you think the list is incorrect? You're not satsified with the Medici Archive Project as a source? They seem utterly reliable to me. I just wish we had access to the rest of their biographical data!
 * Notice how several of the children died very early; this was common in those days, and it is not surprising that the other similar children of the Medici family left no historical trace. We only know of these because the Medici left behind extensive correspondence and files.
 * Urhixidur 19:46, 2005 July 15 (UTC)


 * I've amended the list to point out the illegitimate ones.
 * Urhixidur 19:49, 2005 July 15 (UTC)

Thanks now it makes much more sense. I still disagree with the list but I must admit all my books about Medici's family are old, so you could be right about children who didn't leave historical traces and are not present on the family tree. I leave the 8 historially sure children on the issue section in the italian version of this article and when I have a bit of free time I search some informations about illegitimate children to add.--82.55.124.185 20:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

There seems to be confusion over the Strozzi. Piero was Filippo's son (Filippo was also known Giovanni Battista). It was Filippo that committed suicide in prison, but it was not in the Bargello, it was in the Fortezza da Basso. Nor is there any serious evidence that he faked his own death. Piero escaped and went on to conduct the Florence/Siena war on the side of the Sienese.

On that note, Siena was not being defended by imperial troops, the imperial troops were being held captive there.

Which downfall? Which rebellion?
The claim that Cosimo laid "the groundwork for the future dissatisfaction and rebellion that eventually brought about the downfall of his successors" contains information that is factually false. The Medici ruled Florence until 1737, when Gian Gastone died and his sister could not inherit the Duchy. At her death the line became extinguished. I may remove the sentence in the near future. Stammer 08:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

erased a phrase.
Though governed by a member of Hasburg-Lorraine since 1738, the grand duchy was never absorbed into the Austro-Hungarian Empire--Massimo Macconi 20:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC).)

June 15th
According to the "Medici Project", he was born on June 15th (not June 12th).

Painting attributed to Titian
I have some great doubts about this picture of Cosimo as a child - both regarding the attribution & the subject. Those ruff collars do not seem to really have come into fashion in Italy until the 1570s; in other words, at about the time when both men died (Cosimo '74; Titian '76). Even then, we only really find them on women, until the 1590s, (see for example this one of Cosimo's son, Ferdinando I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany; he was very fond of the ruff). I would suggest instead that this is Cosimo II de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany, Cosimo I's grandson. Note that even as an adult he seems to share his father's fashion sense in the ruff department - it seems much more likely that this is is picture of him as a boy, rather than a very late-life reconstruction on the part of Titian. (And Titian's late portraits are much more painterly than this one, even by the 1550s and '60s.) So, I'm going to go ahead and move this picture to Cosimo II for now; but if there is referenced evidence that it is indeed Cosimo I, then we can just move it back again. Thanks! Isocephaly (talk) 20:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Family Tree error
The family tree represents Lorenzo de' Medici as being the great-great grandson of Cosimo 1. This is, in fact, impossible as Lorenzo de Medici died in 1492 and Cosimo 1 was born in 1519. I propose that we should remove Lorenzo de Medici from the family tree. I would do it myself, but I am not comfortable enough with editing wiki page to reliably fix the problem without messing something else up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.6.156 (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Family tree error
The family tree represents Lorenzo de' Medici as being the great-great grandson of Cosimo 1. This is, in fact, impossible as Lorenzo de Medici died in 1492 and Cosimo 1 was born in 1519. I propose that we should remove Lorenzo de Medici from the family tree. I would do it myself, but I am not comfortable enough with editing wiki page to reliably fix the problem without messing something else up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.6.156 (talk) 02:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Lorenzino's assassination
In the article it is claimed "he managed to have his relative Lorenzino (...) assassinated", however this is inconsistent with Lorenzino's page where it is claimed it was Charles V who ordered the murder.--Sandrobt (talk) 15:30, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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