Talk:Costello's/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 01:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 03:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Comments
I will start reviewing this today. I will add comments as I read so it can be worked on while being reviewed.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Prose

 * including the author Ernest Hemingway, the cartoonist James Thurber, the journalist John McNulty, the poet Brendan Behan, the short-story writer John O'Hara, and the writers Maeve Brennan and A. J. Liebling. article "the" can be removed after Hemingway to make text more succinct.
 * A lot of editors insist on using "the" before a person's title to avoid false titles. I don't really understand why it's such a big deal, but once I bring this to FAC, I am almost certain that several editors will insist on including them. It is what it is. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As descriptions of location are so long, they impact sentence readability. If they can be split off into a new sentence: i.e. founded in New York.... They were centred on four shops in... it will help.
 * Done. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Tim worked as a taxi driver in Dublin; what conjunction is the ";" functioning as? Until? And?
 * Split into two sentences. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * "technicians", or people working in business. are technicians AKA people working in the business? Or are they separate?
 * Better? voorts (talk/contributions) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * published in The New Yorker in the 1940s: in -> during to avoid repeated word (suggestion)
 * Changed the first in to "through". voorts (talk/contributions) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In one oft-repeated story specify this happened at Costello's
 * Clarified. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Content

 * Thurber drew a cartoon depiction of the "Battle of the Sexes" between 1934–1935 appears to pick a side in dispute on how long drawings took, and apparently on the side there is less of a consensus for.
 * Added "at some point" before "between" as in the body of the article to make clear that we're not exactly sure when. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there any more info on Joe? I think the article is saying for most of its life the bar was Tim's, but it reads as saying the article was both of theirs but Tim received more attention for his force of personality. His role could be better clarified.
 * No, there's not much on Joe at all. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Better word for McNulty's writing than "short story"? The source doesn't describe it as that, and it appears to be non-fictional, while "A short story is a piece of prose fiction." Vinciguerra's characterisation of them as shaggy doesn't appear to refer to them being fictional, rather, winding.
 * Added a cite (Karpen 2001) that calls them "stories".
 * According to the journalist George Frazier in Esquire, "there were those New Yorker writers who considered it unthinkable to hand in their manuscripts to the magazine before getting [Tim Costello's] approval". This is the first we're hearing of Costello's engagement with journalists, and it is huge. Is there any information around this? What was his role? Vetting, accuracy?
 * There's nothing more specific than that in the sources. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Source spot check

 * "his son Timothy Costello inherited and continued operating the business.": I can't see claim that he inherited the business in the source.
 * Removed the word inherited. Added a cite that substantiates the inheritance.
 * voorts (talk/contributions) 19:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * "Notable regulars included the author Ernest Hemingway, the cartoonist James Thurber, the journalist John McNulty, the poet Brendan Behan, the short-story writer John O'Hara, and the writers Maeve Brennan and A. J. Liebling.": Behan not mentioned with Costellos in any inline source for text (that I could see). I imagine it's in a different source on the page, but I can't see it. I had a brief look through some cartoon wall sources but didn't seem the there either.
 * Deacy 1972 is an article about places Behan used to drink. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The cartoons disappeared in the 1990s. Verified
 * Tim immigrated to the United States in 1927; in transit, he met his future wife, Kathleen Gordon. Verified
 * The two halves of the broken cane were displayed over the bar until Costello's closed. Verified
 * FT 28 doesn't support text.
 * Removed sentence. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

The article does not contain images. I would suggest a gallery of notable regulars under the Early Years section. Several have photographs in the public domain.
 * I'm not a huge fan of galleries. I tend to use images of persons in biography articles to illustrate what they looked like at different periods of time. The trouble I'm having is that I'm not sure that any of the images of Costello's I've been able to find meet WP:NFCCP. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Final GA criteria: neutral and stable; no concerns. Broad in outline, comprehensive.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 09:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Replied above. Thank you for your comments. Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 19:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you time spent on this Voorts. It was great to read. I would like to continue discussing possible images if that's okay, but I won't hold up the GA to do so. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 21:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)