Talk:Coton de Tulear

Grooming Book?
Does it both others that the note about the book "Grooming and caring for your Coton De Tulear" was added by the author of that book, and that it (along with another small edit in that same area) is the sum total of that person's contribution to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.49.157 (talk) 11:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The stated grooming requirements are misleading. While a show dog of this breed might require daily grooming simply due to the length of the coat, a family dog with a teddy bear cut requires very little maintenance. The hair is not particularly prone to matting unless it gets wet.Lisagreaves (talk) 19:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Crocodile Hunters?
Is this article claiming that these dogs were really used to hunt crocodiles and that while doing so, a "pack" of these dogs would work together to outsmart the crocodiles in crossing rivers. This seems far fetched.--Counsel 22:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The only source that I can find for that on the net is dubious at best . This web page also claims that these dogs were used to hunt wild boar.   I disbelieve.   I'm removing this from the article unless someone provides a verifiable source.  - Trysha (talk) 23:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Cotons were originally bred to hunt mice and rodents on trade ships. If you own a Coton, this explains alot of their behavior. I will add this to the main page once I become less lazy and google a source. - Anonymous 15:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The perception of cotons having little prey drive and not being hunting dogs may owe more to their obscurity than their temperament. My coton chases and attempts to capture small animals (birds, squirrels, rabbits) in the same way that my English Springer Spaniels did. He's caught and presented two birds. I'm not sure how to go about providing a source for this information, since most sources on this topic are written from a show dog perspective.Lisagreaves (talk) 18:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Image:Coton-De-Tulear.jpg not of a coton?
The second picture can't be a Coton! 84.148.89.220 17:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, it does look rather like a Maltese. The best photo source I have found shows dogs that definitely look different. It is perhaps worth noting that another photo by the same person (Image:Giant-Schnauzer.jpg) doesn't look a lot like the breed that the photographer identified it as either. -- Pharaoh Hound   (talk)  17:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Size
The Coton De Tulear club of America's standerd states that a that a Coton should be 12-18lb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smileyface 12 91 (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, but the Coton de Tulear Club of America isn't the only registry. The FCI standard puts the weight at 3.5 to 6 kilograms, 7.7 to 13 pounds. If there are conflicting standards (as is the case here) the weights given in the Wiki article should be generalized. -- Pharaoh Hound  (talk)  12:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Should it be generalized? The FCI standard and the CTCA standard should both be represented as the unique and seperate entities that they are. This way, the Wiki article is accurately presenting information. Isn't this the goal? A fusion of both standards doesn't display either one accurately.

207.200.116.198 01:35, 2 October 2006 (UTC)Coton Fan
 * Perhaps there should be a general weight, but with more specifics given (eg. the average weight of the breed is something to something. The FCI puts the weight at between this and this, while the CTCA standard says this) -- Pharaoh Hound  (talk)  11:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It might be worth putting together a table comparing the different standards for the breed. (It will also be great when the American registry standards adopt the same standard units as used worldwide to simplify comparison.) 216.126.130.138 19:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hard to tell anyway, but with all of that hair from that angle it is impossible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.91.122.219 (talk) 21:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The American Coton Club explains the varying standards for European, Malagasy, and American cotons. Lisagreaves (talk) 19:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Nose Color
The CTCA will let a Coton with a gray nose and gray on the pads of their feet breed to but it must have blue eyes. ^_~ Smileyface 12 91

You are totally wrong on the eye color thing. The CTCA requires that a Coton have dark-brown eyes in its standard, and anything else is a disqualification. See http://cotonclub.org/standard.html under the section "eyes" and "disqualifications" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.243.199.35 (talk) 16:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Hypoallergenic Dogs
The Coton is a hypoallergenic dog breed. I have one and I'm allergic to most dog breeds but not Cotons because Cotons don't have dader and dader is what most people are allergic to not fur or hair but if someone is allergic to dog saliva then they would be allergic to all dog breeds. They lose hair more like a human. (poodle are also hypoallergenic dogs) ^_~ Smileyface 12 91

Shyness
Cotons are not always shy around strangers. Most Cotons want to meet new people. Some very mellow cotons aren't as excited about it but most aren't shy. 67.160.148.155 18:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Smile
Cotons can smile I don't know if this is important or not. A coton can pull back it's lips to make a smile to show that it's happy. 67.160.148.155 18:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove image
I've removed this image because it is probably not a coton. It looks much more like a maltese. -- Pharaoh Hound  (talk)  18:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Citation Needed
I'm an unregistered user (and don't want to register right now). I have some sources to cite for the area of the article where it says "citation needed" regarding Coton fans and their feelings about the AKC-FSS. How do I add this citation? Do I need to be registered? If so, can I just type in the link here...and maybe someone else can do the citation for me? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.139 (talk • contribs)


 * Unregistered users (anons) like yourself can make citations. For more info, see WP:REF. That sentence "majority of the breed's supporters in the United States are against an AKC takeover of this rare breed" is a problem with style. The vagueness of the term "majority" is the problem, it's a somewhat debatable term (how many people are the "majority"?, the majority of what group of people, etc). If your sources are good, they might be able to give specifics of who doesn't want the AKC (see WP:WEASEL). That stylistic faux pas may have to be resolved before your sources can effectively be put into place. If you provide links to your sources, I may be able to fix the phrase and cite all in one go. -- Pharaoh Hound  (talk)  14:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Color
The FCI standered states "On the other parts of the body, such shadings can be tolerated, if they do not alter the general appearance of white coat" when talking about the coats color.Smileyface 12 91 01:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I made the updateSmileyface 12 91 19:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Care section needs work
Cotons do not shed! Cotons have hair there for they lose hair. Shedding requeris fur and if you have fur you have dander and then it is not hypoallergenic. Also it is not unusual to have a coton in a puppy cut (I don't know how many coton owners keep there cotons in this hair style but I can be pretty sure that it is not unusual). Also cotons who have a long coat have to be brushed alot (like twice a day) or they mat up.Smileyface 12 91 07:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright I fixed it. Smileyface 12 91 18:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hair and fur are the same thing. http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=0006E5B1-64B0-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7 http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/zoo00/zoo00146.htm Hair is just fur with a longer growth cycle. A Coton or a Poodle does not lose as much as other breeds primarily because they lack an undercoat. They also drop less to the ground because the coat texture keeps it in the coat instead of dropping to the ground. That is why regular grooming is a must. It is required to remove the dead follicles. Allergic reaction is reduced for the same reason. The coat causes the dander to be retained rather than dropped. Pet dander is not hair, it is proteins typically those found on skin cells. http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=9&sub=18&cont=236 The regular bathing that is typically required also reduces allergic response. There is no such thing is a hypoallergenic dog, just some breeds that cause less reaction in people than other breeds. http://members.aol.com/AHTerrier/allergystudies.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.170 (talk) 15:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but that is incorrect! Take it up with the coton world. Most people will tell you that you need to do more resraech! If you call it hair people genrally understand it more than fur. Yes there is such thing as a hypoalregenic dog. I have one and I know for a fact I'm not allergic to her! FYI dander can't I repeat CAN NOT be held up in the hair! The reason for this is the fact that A) Not all people keep the coat long B)and you don't have to bath them that often and C) Dander is not that big in fact it is very small! And my links are this check out the CTCA cite, the ACC cite, and I bet you could event check the USACTC cite too.Smileyface 12 91 17:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm Maybe you could cite some science to counter all those science articles on the allergies page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.190.183 (talk) 02:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

That allergy page was from a breeder of a completely different breed! To be a hypoallergenic breed it means they don't have dander. A person can still be allergic to the saliva or in some cases the puppy coat. By the way Dr. Russell (the founder of the CTCA) is a scientist. He also studied the breed in its original Madagascar. He states very clearly in "The Book" that the breed is hypoallergenic not to mention if you look on those pages that I talked about before all of the coton experts say that they are hypoallergenic.Smileyface 12 91 17:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Somehow we missed the little fact it is almost impossible to housebreak a coton.67.161.166.20 (talk) 21:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure isn't true. My coton my breeders cotons and ALL of the puppies they have had have all been house broken some event before they leave. Some cotons may not be easy to become house broken and others it is easy. I am interested to hear were you heard that.Smileyface 12 91 (talk) 07:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a coton that was apparently born housebroken.

Mine will use the cat's litter box

Famous "French face"?
The caption for the fourth Coton picture says "A Coton de Tulear making the famous 'French face'". I have no idea what this means, and google searches for 'coton "french face"' and 'coton "visage français"' did not turn up anything, so I'm assuming it's only famous to the person who wrote the caption. Consequently, I have removed it. Frankieist (talk) 00:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Health
The article says: Average life span 16 to 21 years. That sounds a little high. If the average life span is as high as 21 years, how come there are no Crotons on the oldest dog list, some of which are younger than that? Malty Dog (talk) 11:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I have changed to 15 to 17 years, from http://www.americancotonclub.com/temperament.htm site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maltydog (talk • contribs) 19:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The article says: The fact that they are rarer breeds means the Coton de Tulear has faced very little inbreeding. What is the logic of that? The rarer the breed the larger the inbreeding coefficient, in general. If this breed has low inbreeding coefficient despite its rarity I would think it has to do with the dogs not being quite pure-bred.(talk) 17:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

History
That coton's were brought to Madagascar by pirates needs to be substantiated with a credible source. Also- what does the fact that Pirates established a base on Madagascar have to do with the dog. Even if Pirates did bring the dog over, there's no way to know if they brought them to St. Mary first. Unless someone has a source. That pirates established a democratic kingdom is not a fact- see Libertaria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePBD (talk • contribs) 16:05, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Temperament
Since 1996, the incidence of aggression in Cotons has increased. They may bark ferociously at passersby or lunge at other animals on walks. While socialization is important for all puppies, it is essential for Cotons. Breeder contracts should contain a refund or replacement clause covering genetic idiopathic aggression identified within the first 12 to 18 months. Lisagreaves (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Price
Shouldn't the price read at least $300 rather than $3.00? A quick web search indicates that they seem to cost more like $3000. Marsseeker (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

AKC
Shouldn't it be added that the breed is now AKC recognized? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:B880:504:E990:8E65:44F3:350A (talk) 05:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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