Talk:Cottonwood West, Utah

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Has the entire CDP actually been annexed? Comparing maps of Holladay and Murray, there is an area west of 1300 East and north of 5290 South that is part of neither. --NE2 05:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

As shown on the Census’ latest official boundary map - available at http://www2.census.gov/geo/www/bas/bas09/st49_ut/cou/c49035_salt_lake/BAS09C24903500000_000.pdf - this area remains unincorporated but also is neither assigned as part of Millcreek CDP to the north nor to any other CDP. Cottonwood West CDP has been rendered obsolete by the annexations and is not shown on this latest official map because it no longer exists. Additionally, Cottonwood West CDP existed only in the minds of Census bureaucrats, created for statistical purposes only. “Cottonwood West” was never used to describe the area by locals. To insist that it still exists contradicts the official documents of its creator and terminator (the Census), and ignores local usage. Schiptuin (talk) 17:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this is the way that all census-designated places are treated. You claim that the map's failure to label Cottonwood West is proof of its nonexistence, but all sources that address CW itself have no indication of its being deleted.  Unless you can find an outright statement of its deletion, which would be at http://www.census.gov/popest/geographic/boundary_changes, you have no actual proof of its deletion.  Nyttend (talk) 03:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Unless you have a source saying that it has been deleted, a claim that it has is original research. The Census Bureau announces when entites are no longer recognised, so the lack of an announcement means that it is yet recognised.  Nyttend (talk) 14:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, the Boundary and Annexation Survey is an official Census document and very much provides indication of its deletion and that it is no longer recognized. The territory in question cannot remain an unincorporated CDP while at the same time being within the corporate limits of the municipalities of Murray and Holladay, which now share a contiguous border at the location of the now-defunct CDP. Schiptuin (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does it actually say that it's been defunct? Does it show the entire area of the CDP now within a municipality or municipalities?  No on both counts.  Nyttend (talk) 02:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Observe what NE2 says: there's an area that's not marked as being part of any municipality. Nyttend (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

NE2 is absolutely right: there is an area that’s not marked as being part of any municipality. Like Copperton, west of South Jordan; Snowbird, east of Sandy; and various unincorporated islands, such as those between West Jordan and South Jordan, and between Cottonwood Heights and Sandy, this area is neither part of a municipality nor a CDP. Schiptuin (talk) 03:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * CDPs aren't municipalities. Stop making claims without any official sources to back you up, especially when your source opposes your claim: this is original research.  Nyttend (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

The former area is shown as not part of anything on, so it would seem at first glance that Schiptuin is correct. As for the boundary changes, those only go up to 2007, and may have some errors - "Area also takes in deleted East Millcreek CDP" for example. This is why I don't like CDPs - they're arbitrarily assigned and only a single source really cares about changes. I have emailed the Census Bureau; hopefully they can shed some light. --NE2 22:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

GNIS indicates that the CDP is "historical" (entered on March 11, 2008). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.6.178.165 (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's a good source. I got a reply to my email, confirming that the CDP was deleted in 2005. --NE2 22:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My apology; I didn't see this when I made the last edit. Nyttend (talk) 03:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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