Talk:Cotulla, Texas

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I'd like to request that someone expand the part in the history about the 2008 grass fire, with a citation perhaps from a local or regional paper. I couldn't find much about this, other than pictures and youtube videos online.Rmashlan (talk) 13:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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Neat snippet at the 40 minute mark of President Lyndon B. Johnson addressing Joint Session of Congress on 3/15/1965 in support of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNEOtGRi_w 2604:6000:E642:2200:C519:DB0B:25F4:3081 (talk) 05:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That's nice, but why? There is no indication that video could be used in any way here. Copyright laws are a real thing you know.  John from Idegon (talk) 05:59, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

The LBJ Presidential Library hosts the video on youtube. AFAIK, a US President giving a televised speech to a joint session of Congress is 100% public domain. I fart in your general direction, since copyright is a non-issue. What also floats on water? Gravy, very small rocks, and ducks. See the Cotulla, Texas Archive List prepared by the LBJ Presidential Library for an expansive list. http://www.lbjlibrary.net/assets/documents/archives/guides/domestic/Cotulla.pdf 24.59.245.31 (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Your knowledge is lacking. The speech isn't copyrighted, the video of it is. Because YouTube is licensed under a variety of a share and share alike license, as is Wikipedia, many people assume their content (and ours) are not copyrighted. That's an incorrect assumption. Although some YouTube content is licensed in a manner that we can use, this particular video isn't. It's on a standard YouTube license, which prohibits commercial use. Our license (CC BY-SA 3.0) does not. So you cannot directly link to this particular video. Since you didn't mention any content to be added to the article, my assumption was that you wanted to use it as an external link. You can't. You could use the contents of the video to reference a fact included in the article. If that's your intention, please let me know and I'll be glad to help you with the citation. John from Idegon (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

While reading the back-and-forth, the following points are offered for contemplation and possible action. A mentionable story, made by a US President in a historical, nationally televised speech to Congress is certainly noteworthy and-some would argue-worthy of inclusion to a Wikipedia article on Cotulla, TX (a city which also acts as a county seat). An important point of historical fact—possibly adding even more provenance for inclusion—is that President Johnson (according to records shared publically by the LBJ Presidential Library) returned to visit a school in Cotulla while he was still President-after having made his nationally televised speech.

Re-reading the original post, s/he explained that the Cotulla film clip appears "at the 40 minute mark" of the entire televised speech itself. Viewing this entire speech at the LBJ Presidential Library (which is also posted on YouTube) shows that the content on YouTube comes from a CBS television national press pool broadcast of the speech. (Unlike NBC, CBS didn't have a nationwide color television broadcast system yet, using black-and-white transmission instead for the press pool broadcast, likely to ensure widest public dissemination.)

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) oversee presidential library collections. These collections are an integral part of the National Archives of the United States. As explained by the LBJ Presidential Library on its own website, CBS had previously released its copyright to the press pool broadcast upon donating the film to the LBJ Presidential Library. If CBS retained copyright to the broadcast, things would be different. However, the fact it was shared as press pool content—at the very moment the broadcast was created—and the fact that CBS released its copyright when deciding to donate the film to The People of the United States, really extinguishes the copyright issues being raised.

Any presidential library that decided to share material via YouTube without complying with the donor deed-of-gift specifications wouldn't be following copyright law. It can be fairly and justly determined, that for this particular case, the sharing of a relevant, noteworthy part of this televised presidential speech on YouTube via the LBJ Presidential Library doesn't violate copyright protections. Encourage common ground to be found here, so that all concerned may move forward. Is there agreement to be found? 149.10.212.156 (talk) 19:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Firstly, there is nothing to move forward to. The OP has yet to offer up what he proposes we do with this. And IP user at 149.10 etc, although we can use it as a source, we absolutely cannot link directly to it. To do so would be a violation of YouTube's copyright as it is under their standard license which is incompatible with ours. What its status is prior to its uploading onto YouTube is irrelevant. We do not WP:IAR with copyright matters. Before we could directly link to it, the Library would need to modify its licensing on YouTube. Feel free to enquire at the copyright noticeboard if you wish, but I'm pretty confident in my stance on this. John from Idegon (talk) 20:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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