Talk:Countess Marie Larisch von Moennich

Children from the countess
I know something about the children for example: names and dates. I'll find the references and put the informations in the article. When they are important enough.

Or I post it her on the discussion page. --AndreaMimi (talk) 18:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added them in; please go ahead and add anything you'd like. - Nunh-huh 19:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, but I'm so tired today. The informations about Maries children - legitime and illegitime ;) - are coming tomorrow.

Do you know that Marie had a son with Otto Brucks ? The son - I think also an Otto, but I'm not sure - overlived his mother and halfsilblings.

It's good to find a better form to the issue. For example like here: Queen Victoria Look at the bottom of the page: issue - than you know, what I mean.

--AndreaMimi (talk) 20:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I made a mistake in the syntax so that Otto wasn't showing up, but I've fixed it now. As to an "issue" table, I'm not sure we need one. (Incorporating them into the article seems to please more people.) And people are a lot more interested in Victoria's descendants. - Nunh-huh 21:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(For the children, I believe that the father of Henriette and Heinrich was supposed to be Heinrich Baltazzi, while Friedrich's father was thought to be Karl Ernst von Otto-Krekwitz.) But I would have to go searching for the references. As far as I know, only the eldest son, Franz-Joseph, has living descendants. - Nunh-huh 21:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I know only, that Marie overlived the most of her children. But nothing about them for example, if the are married/or not or have children of there own.

In this case you know more about Marie and the children, then myself. --AndreaMimi (talk) 17:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This website; has good (though not complete) information on Marie's descendants. - Nunh-huh 23:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * For more on Marie:
 * http://world.std.com/~raparker/exploring/thewasteland/exmarie.html
 * WikiParker (talk) 00:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I very much like your pages on The Waste Land, and will add it to the page. If you feel like updating them, I'd add the following to the section about Marie's motives (This is from My Own Past, the autobiography of her ghostwriter, Maude ffolkes, p. 307): "'You ask me, madame,' she said, 'why I choose to reveal the secret of Meyerling. I will tell you. It is quite simple. Firstly, I want to relate what actually happened, and secondly, je veux me venger.' 'But why do you wish for revenge?' I asked. 'The Empress is dead; your hatred cannot touch her. I am aware that she made you suffer, but is it worth while to recall the past?' 'Elizabeth is dead,' she answered in a hard and cruel voice, 'but one exists who has helped to make my life a hell. It is the Emperor Francis Joseph upon whom I will be revenged; and if you, madam, decline to write my book, someone else must be found. My purpose is inflexible.'" - Nunh-huh 00:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quote. I've added it to my "to do" file. WikiParker (talk) 11:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the prose is a bit purple, and Ms. ffolkes has the same credibility problems as Marie, but it is at least interesting hearsay :) - Nunh-huh 19:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello from Vienna! @Nunh-huh and AndreaMimi You are right: only her youngest son Otto Brucks junior overlived the mother. He died very poor 1977 in Bavaria. There are only descendants of her eldest son Franz Joseph. He had two sons, but he was divorced and his wife went back to the USA with the children. There lived Maries greatgranddaughter, Countess Suzanna Norton Larisch (1934 - 2003). Sie had 3 daughters by Donald Dwight Strickland. So the name Larisch out of Maries line vanished. Researches: Sokop, Brigitte, Jene Gräfin Larisch, Vertraute der Kaiserin - Verfemte nach Mayerling, Wien, Köln Böhlau 1985, 4. ed. 2006 Many greetings and have a good time

KLIO, Dec., 4th, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.33.219.98 (talk) 11:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

4 December 2008 edits
These edits seem to be in good faith, but have resulted in text with spelling/punctuation/grammatical mistakes (e.g. "After her husbands death") and loss of references. Somebody knowledgeable about the topic should have a look at it. utcursch | talk 03:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

CORRECTIONS OF JULY, 15th, 2010 Hello, I am sorry that you put off so many corrections of me of 2008. I now corrected the article again - there were many mistakes - but I did not add so many details as before. Maybe if you are interested look for this edit 2008. I am the author of "Jene Gräfin Larisch", 4th edition 2006, and be sure: it is the first and only monography about the countess, 583 pages with 13 pages references. I made researches for 8 years all over the world.--KLIO July, 15th,2010,86.33.49.87 (talk) 07:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Brigitte, If ever you check back here, could you go to my page, click "Email this user" and send me your e-mail address? - Nunh-huh 23:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)